Mortal Kombat 11

I'm behind on MK 11 news, but, I was under the assumption that the Mortal Kombat universe runs on multiverse theory, and that the "Shao Kahn Wins" timeline was still in existence.

I mean, here we are dealing with visions of the past timeline, a doppelganger of Scorpion showing up to kill Raiden, and Kronnika pointing out that Liu Kang has "gone down the wrong path once again" or some noise.

I don’t believe that is the case. If it was multiverse theory, Kronika wouldn’t need to return things tonhow they were, because that timeline would still be happening in the multiverse somewhere.

She needs to Make Wrong What Once Went Right ...well, Went Slightly Less Wrong, anyway.

The past versions of the kombatants seem to be pulled from earlier in the timeline, not from other timelines.

Edited by BadWolf21 on Feb 17th 2019 at 11:25:44 AM

Well I just looked at this trailer: Kronnika's goal is to reset the timeline because Raiden's actions have disrupted the balance between good and evil.

I don't know if that requires there to be only one timeline in existence, but I doubt it. She's returning things to how they once were because neither timeline is optimal.

If she can pull past versions of the characters out of the timeline and have them fight future versions of themselves that sort of implies that two timelines are existing simultaneously. That, or this was how the timeline "always was" and Revenant Liu Kang/Kung Lai would remember traveling to the future and fighting undead versions of themselves.

Call it a gut feeling, but MK's storyline always seems to ensure that every solution is bittersweet:

• Liu Kang defeats Outworld's greatest fighters multiple times
  • gets ganked by the Deadly Alliance
• Raiden blows himself up to stop Onaga
  • Onaga survives, and Raiden Came Back Wrong
• Taven's family meant to control the number of kombatants
  • this only ended up increasing their powers instead
• but at least most of the powerful villains were killed in the the final battle
  • except Shao Kahn survived, slaughtered everyone, and gained ultimate power
• Raiden resets the timeline
  • but makes an even worse timeline
• Shujinko, the only person trying to stop Onaga, ends up being ineffectual in the final battle at the pyramid
  • he's still active in the X timeline but dies early on, IIRC
• Liu Kang won't fight Khan so Kung Lao steps in
  • Kahn murders him right in front of everybody
• Raiden finally fixes the X timeline
  • Shinnok makes it worse

So it seems likely to me that the MKA timeline probably still exists, because thematically it just makes sense.

Edited by Soble on Feb 17th 2019 at 5:02:29 AM

Reading this, I wonder if the reason Raiden's attempts to prevent Armageddon in IX failed not just because Shinnok was also messing with time (using Quan Chi as a proxy) or his mis-interpretation of the visions, but because Kronika herself was acting (subtly at first) to keep things from working out too well for the good guys.

Although I admit that such a revelation would take some of the burden off Raiden and he should be responsible for his own actions.

Still what do you guys think? If she was actively trying to keep good or evil from winning too much, it would explain how things kept going to hell the more IX went along.

So a timeline that actually lasted more than the previous one, where some things even turned out for the better (let's be honest, Scorpion had it infinitely better in the new timeline than the whatever the old one gave him) is much worse.

Okay, not that I'm happy with Netherrealm Emperor Liu Kang or most of the old Earthrealm fighters dead, but... Things turned out better than the old timeline. And considering Raiden has gone dark just like the old timeline, Liu Kang has turned into a full-blown villain and Kano and Erron Black are still around, I don't think things shifted too much on the good guys' favor.

I think Kronika wasn't paying attention until Sindel started murdering the whole of the Earthrealm warriors.

Edited by ZeroDozer on Feb 17th 2019 at 3:42:52 PM

I think that is a good question: What is worst than armaggedon?.

I mean can we trust the vision Kitana have that she somehow could beat a blaze power Khan?. if that is true then it would be best ending for the realms, all the bad guys are dead, armaggedon prevent and Kitana is queen.

Also about reveants...I will said more than main control is the best explanation, they are not directly control and have autonomy but the darkness in their heart have be used to quan chi to asure they behivor aling with brotherhood of the shadows.

Or that is how I see it.

The New timeline is only 'worse'

if you consider that the everything went to shit moment happened at MK 3 instead of MKDA

and that the fact that the heroes have suffered more lasting wounds

However if Kronnika is literally so desperate to get things back on track She's personally interfering... Armageddon was prevented in this timeline and despite the losses th heroes have moved on with their lives

cause while people focus on the tragedy of the heroes... The villains themselves are actually dropping like Flies instead of their usual 'I was only mostly dead' which is what leads to the build up to Armageddon cause the bad guys who always survive band together.

Hell That's what lead to the Deadly Alliance, Shang and Quan's habit of cheating death.

Then again, death has no meaning in Mortal Kombat so I doubt we've seen the last of Tsung.

yes but its a major setback.

I don't think the both of them were ever killed before they teamed up in the original timeline. Shang Tsung was notably beaten up by Liu Kang at the climax of the very first game. Not sure if he was beaten up Liu Kang again in both II and III.

As for Quan Chi, refer to Scorpion's story in III. After his brief stint as a henchman of Shao Kahn ended with him betraying the Outworld ruler due to Shao Kahn attempting to kill younger Sub Zero (Scorpion vowed to protect him to atone for killing older Sub Zero), Shao Kahn or a henchman threw him back into the Netherrealm. Quan Chi got Scorpion to work for him by claiming Younger Sub Zero killed his wife and son.

In Scorpion's ending in 4, Scorpion beats up Younger Sub Zero, claiming he killed his family. Younger Sub Zero denies doing such a thing with Scorpion realizing he was tricked. Quan Chi popped, admitting he lied. Scorpion tried to turn on Quan Chi but he began to throw Scorpion into the Netherrealm only for Scorpion to take Quan Chi with him.

As to how Deadly Alliance started, Quan Chi ran into Moloch and Drahmin, promising them to take them with him to freedom but as the two Oni fought Scorpion, Quan Chi escaped and found Onaga's mummified army. He then teamed up with Shang Tsung to take control of them.

Edited by HallowHawk on Feb 18th 2019 at 2:46:50 AM

Quan chi have a habit to avoding death in general, even is consething of a consesus that Quan chi jump at the last moment and he avoid being destroyed by Raiden super blast, is only know he die in MKX, netherealm know for how long.

But the other fact was nobody know about armaggedon EXCEPT Shinnok, so is death change stuff as kronika said his death wasnt his destiny.

That only happen in Taven's ending & that's non-canon. Taven probably die like everyone else did.

Shujinko is still alive, he's a teacher at the White Lotus academy until Nether Realm says otherwise. He only died in Cassie's ending which contradict the comics among a shit on of other things

Raiden didn't technically fix the timeline. He arguably improve even with Shinnok trying to foil him.

Probably not. She's interfering now because apparently good guys have too much advantage. Don't you love when a neutral force only goes after the good guys when they break the rules but never the villains? I wonder what that trope is called?

I still don't know why so many people here think MK X endings are canon. Even if the endings were setting up something nothing implies any of them are true. Not to mention Kitana's ending could be just an illusion for Kronika get Kitana to her side along with Liu Kang.

So Dynasty did this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0lh6lz63_M

He talks about a recent interview on MK 11's development. He says that the interview tells there's a new male character who's kept under wraps that supposedly serves as Cassie's sidekick. He also says that the interview reveals Cassie has an intro where she sings the C.O.P.S theme song in a flirty way to a new character (I'm assuming he's the new male).

It's been suggested on other boards and You Tube that the character Cassie sings to is Kabal or even Stryker, but that doesn't follow the "new character" bit.

Edited by Maljen on Feb 18th 2019 at 1:08:05 AM

Conflict Ball

Basically its the simple logic of if the Good guys are capable of routing the bad guys time and time again and with the fact that MK's bad guys are largely on the ropes

That there will be eventually no conflict cause the villains will be largely exhausted

Ergo Kronika 'despite being neutral' is causing trouble for the sake that conflict must happen cause thats 'balance' which will be contradicted by her trying to pull a she's just trying to maintain order

Basically its a fancy way of saying she's Chaotic Neutral that contradictory tries to preserve the status quo

and it always devolves into mass hypocrisy...

"Why didn't you interfere when the Villains cheated?"

"Cause they weren't cheating, They were simply doing whatever it took to win."

"Okay, So we did the same thing and won, beating them at their own game"

"You cheated, THIS IS NOT HOW IT WAS MEANT TOO BE!"

"So you wanted the villains to win?"

"NO I WANTED ORDER TO BE MAINTAINED"

"HALF THE MOTHERFUCKERS WANT TO ANNIHILATE ALL OF EXISTENCE!"

"MY REASONS ARE BEYOND YOU COMPREHENSION MORTALS" 'which is always god speak for Shut up, I do what I want'

Its the nonsense that for some reason if your the good guy, YOU HAVE TO LIVE UP TO OVER INFLATED IDEALS

Edited by FrozenWolf2 on Feb 18th 2019 at 2:56:29 PM

What does cheating even look like in the Mortal Kombat universe? This is a world where everything from guns and knives to time warping magic is allowed so if Kronika wants to accuse the heroes of cheating she'd have to lay down what the rules actually were.

Also, Frozenwolf's post above reminds me how it frustrated me that Quan Chi can just take the souls of Earth's best fighters but the good guys don't have anything that can even hope to counter that.

I know that the Arcade endings are typically understood to be non-canon, but I was using that example to prove that most resolutions in Mortal Kombat have a bittersweet or Pyrrhic side to them, canon or not.

Edited by Soble on Feb 18th 2019 at 4:27:51 AM

The scenario isn't that she won Armageddon. Even in that ending, Shao Kahn won Armageddon. He laid waste to Earthrealm with the power from the Pyramid. Presumably, this occurs after Raiden's skull was crushed in their fateful final clash.

Her MKX ending posits that Kitana survived Armageddon, not that she won it. She made it back to Edenia, and presumably another game's worth of plot happened offscreen that ended in her defeating Almighty God-Emperor Shao Kahn and saving the realms. Just. Not Earthrealm.

That's not really so unreasonable. Characters have survived things that should by all rights have killed them all the time. Remember that time Baraka was bisected by Kung Lao and then showed up in MK 4 with giant staples holding his body together?

Hell, characters have outright died and then come back down the road. There's plenty of room for plot to have happened between "Kitana is seen lying beside Kung Lao, presumably dead, as Shao Kahn prevails" and "Kitana defeats the Almighty God-Emperor Shao Kahn."

Honestly, I would play that game. It sounds like a pretty cool What-If? scenario.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Feb 18th 2019 at 8:29:00 AM

@agent-trunks: In a sense, Liu Kang's ending in X is canon, as he became in fact Netherrealm's ruler. Some other endings in X are also heavily connected, like Sonya/Jax, or Bo'Rai Cho/Kotal Kahn.

Liu Kang is the only one as of now.

None of the MK 9 endings were canon. Even Johnny Cage & Smoke were nothing more than an excuse to flesh out more of their backgrounds than anything else.

There's also a degree of Sequel Hook / Foreshadowing in them, given how Jade's 9 ending and Kitana's X ending were utilized.

Johnny's energy referenced in 9 did turn out to be important in 10.

Just seeing Kronika's stuff on the Wikia, I noticed that a cause for her actions was Raiden taking a brutal stance against invaders set on Earthrealm.

That said, why didn't she interfere when the same happened in the first timeline? Raiden became a fallen god all the same in the first timeline and took the exact same stance.

Edited by ZeroDozer on Feb 18th 2019 at 9:34:45 AM

Considering she didn't exist as a character back then we don't exactly know what she was doing in the original timeline.

That point in time had the threat of Onaga and later Armageddon pyramid occurred.

I'd say it's a mix between:

• she didn't exist
• if they actually want to retcon this, maybe it's because Raiden hadn't actively interfered with time at that point - plus the Pyramid was either going to kill a bunch of good guys and bad guys, so Kronnika didn't feel the need to get involved

Edited by Soble on Feb 18th 2019 at 4:59:05 AM

Maybe because that happened close to Armageddon.

It says on her character profile on this very wiki (man I miss that pothole) that everything that happened in the original timeline was her will, Armageddon included.

This time however, there are no big bad to ensure that everyone slaughters each other: Liu Kang and Kitana seem like they'll just stick in the Netherrealm, Raiden is going out of his way to MDK anyone who looks at Earth the wrong way, and the heroes have a lot of protectors, while the bad guys are much more of a mess.