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Prime32 Since: Jan, 2001
#126: Jan 17th 2019 at 11:21:59 AM

I don't think game mechanics are inherently bad, but there's a level of work you need to put into them to make them even seem natural let alone good. Like Reincarnated as a Slime offers no explanation whatsoever throughout the series entire run apart from a super vague 'um, I guess it's your soul or something but not really anyway PEW PEW look how cool Rimuru is!'
Remember in Fate/stay night when every Master visualised their Servant's abilities in a different way, and Shirou's looked like a D&D character sheet because that's what he was familiar with? But then every spin-off ignored this and just made the sheets an objective thing so that characters could talk about their stats to each other?

Edited by Prime32 on Jan 17th 2019 at 7:23:36 PM

danime91 Since: Jan, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#127: Jan 17th 2019 at 11:36:30 AM

See, Re:Zero I have a problem with because it feels like the universe is just trying to screw over the protagonist in the worst way possible all the time, and his personality and way of dealing with it doesn't help matters or just makes them worse. And then it turns out that actually is the case, because some sort of witch-goddess with a yandere stalker crush on him is manipulating his reset ability.

I think my favorite isekais currently are Isekai Shokudou and Isekai Izakaya. No action, no angst, no stupid OP abilities. Just people from different worlds interacting with each other and discovering each other's cultures. Give me travelogue isekais, basically.

Edited by danime91 on Jan 17th 2019 at 11:37:43 AM

Demongodofchaos2 Face me now, Bitch! from Eldritch Nightmareland Since: Jul, 2010 Relationship Status: 700 wives and 300 concubines
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#128: Jan 17th 2019 at 12:13:40 PM

[up] His Personality not making matters better is literally the point. He;s meant to represent Isekai fanboys and how they wouldn't actually make things better in worlds like those.

He has to earn his way into the world, and any power he does get is so overwhelming to his normal body he may as well not have them, because they are so nerfed they are practically useless in his hands.

It helps that Tappei Nagatsuki makes his characters suffer is because he feels other isekai authors are generally too soft on their OP power fantasies.

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firewriter Since: Dec, 2016
#129: Jan 17th 2019 at 12:17:59 PM

90's trapped in another world scenarios need to make more of a comeback especially with more female protagonists.

Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#130: Jan 17th 2019 at 12:43:56 PM

[up]I’ll say it again, but someone tell Netflix to remake Magic Knight Rayearth. It has female protagonists, CLAMP designs, magic, giant robots, and everything else that you think would be an ideal Netflix anime.

AnotherDuck No, the other one. from Stockholm Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Mu
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#131: Jan 17th 2019 at 1:31:15 PM

It does get a bit dull once she becomes the biggest fish in her pond, but once ... the story again introduces characters leagues above her, it gets fun again.
I think the most interesting part about that story is when you get a different perspective of someone who isn't Kumo, and see what other characters considers strong. One detail is how the humans view the appraise skill, but a more interesting thing is related to the vampire, both about the perspective of characters stronger, and characters weaker. Especially pretty far into the web novel during the school arc: The attempt by others to assassinate her shows just how ridiculously powerful even she is, and she's been portrayed as fairly weak most of the time, because of a certain MC's perspective. And then there's her levelling up...

Who knew having stakes and danger makes something more interesting?
Honestly, I find that overrated. It's not the stakes and danger that's interesting; it's how characters grow and interact with other characters, as well as how the world building is developed.

So anyone heard of Jimi na Kensei wa Sore Demo Saikyou desu (aka "The Simple-Looking Sword Saint is Nevertheless the Strongest")?
It's on my list. It's fairly standard. Not bad, not great. I like the girl. She's so viciously careless about other people in such a blue-blooded way it makes her amusing.

So much to my surprise that story about reincarnating as a sword is actually not bad. Quite a bit better than the reincarnation as a slime thing.
I like it a well. Girl's the true MC, and she's cute and determined. Good points for an MC.

Also he has no sex drive and doesn't even consider himself human anymore.
Yeah, well, one of the last chapters I read, not so above it all.

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Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#132: Jan 17th 2019 at 2:03:38 PM

Shrug, still at the water dragon, so not caught up yet.

Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#133: Jan 17th 2019 at 11:39:24 PM

...Oh, shit. Basically right after I picked the series up the translator dropped it before he could get hit with a cease and desist. So I finally got caught up right in the middle of a battle and it's not going to be continued.

ElfenLiedFan90 Me in a nutshell (Coping with Depression) from Jakarta,Indonesia Since: Aug, 2017 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
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#134: Jan 18th 2019 at 12:07:31 AM

@Arha What series?

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Arha Since: Jan, 2010
GoldenKaos Captain of the Dead City from Cirith Ungol Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
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#136: Jan 18th 2019 at 2:28:43 AM

[up]The light novel or the manga fan translation?

Also - Isekai Izakaya and Isekai Shokudou are both great, I prefer the former by far personally, since seeing traditional Japanese food is far more interesting to me than Japanese-ish versions of Western cuisine.

"...in the end the Shadow was only a small and passing thing: there was light and high beauty for ever beyond its reach."
Chariot King of Anime Since: Jul, 2014
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#137: Jan 18th 2019 at 6:14:03 AM

Well the Reincarnated as a Sword novel is getting released in English in August, with an earlier ebook release, so I'm assuming that's what Arha's talking about.

Edited by Chariot on Jan 18th 2019 at 9:14:29 AM

GoldenKaos Captain of the Dead City from Cirith Ungol Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Showing feelings of an almost human nature
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#138: Jan 18th 2019 at 6:33:18 AM

Yeah, most likely.

"...in the end the Shadow was only a small and passing thing: there was light and high beauty for ever beyond its reach."
Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#139: Jan 18th 2019 at 8:51:46 AM

The web novel got halted because of a release of the light novel.

Cortez Since: May, 2009
#140: Jan 20th 2019 at 5:04:35 PM

Have you guys seen " A wild last boss appears"?

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AnotherDuck No, the other one. from Stockholm Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Mu
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#141: Jan 20th 2019 at 6:22:45 PM

Yup. Mentioned it in the "under the radar" thread a little less than a year ago.

I kinda like it. It's not great, and the MC is stupidly OP. However, the concept isn't too bad, especially when they bring up some of the details from when he was playing it as a game, and how he was playing it. The characters are somewhat interesting. I'm also kind of interesting in seeing where they're going with some of the plot threads. Time will tell.

And reading my old post about it, I can say (spoiler for reasonably new chapters) called it!

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SKJAM Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
#142: Jan 26th 2019 at 8:49:07 AM

Over in the Winter 2019 thread (discussion in which was responsible for getting this thread unlocked, so thanks commenters!) it was mentioned that one of the specific fantasies played to with current isekai stories, especially the ones with Go-Go Enslavement, is "girls/women are too quickly dismissive of me because of surface characteristics. If there were some way for a girl/woman to be stuck interacting with me for a long period, they'd be able to see my inner good qualities and fall in love with me without me having to change my attitudes or behavior."

What other specific fantasy subtexts have you noticed in isekai?

Edited by SKJAM on Jan 26th 2019 at 8:50:15 AM

RedSavant Since: Jan, 2001
#143: Jan 26th 2019 at 9:13:51 AM

I made a very long post earlier about stuff like that, which might be of interest.

It's been fun.
VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#144: Jan 26th 2019 at 9:34:50 AM

Misread.

Edited by VeryMelon on Jan 26th 2019 at 12:35:32 PM

AnotherDuck No, the other one. from Stockholm Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Mu
No, the other one.
#145: Jan 26th 2019 at 9:45:00 AM

[up][up][up]I find that to be the case, more or less, in most stories that tie characters together for the sake of romance or romance-like plots. It's just more prominent with isekai, since they're more obviously about wish-fulfillment.

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doomrider7 (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#146: Jan 26th 2019 at 10:34:46 AM

@Ikedatakeshi

Reincarnated as a Slime actually fixes all of these issues and I really have no idea what Arha is talking about unless he means the WN which was a REALLY rough draft since everything is well explained in the LN thus far.

Edited by doomrider7 on Jan 26th 2019 at 1:35:09 PM

Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#147: Jan 26th 2019 at 10:38:13 AM

The last post by him was two weeks ago. Were you talking about him not liking weird RPG systems?

doomrider7 (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#148: Jan 26th 2019 at 10:55:35 AM

The post in general as Slime fixes all of those issues(though it does have RPG mechanics). Didn't see the date. Feel free to disregard then.

Arha Since: Jan, 2010
#149: Jan 26th 2019 at 1:50:43 PM

I'll have to take your word for it. The Web Novel was just awful when it came to anything like consistency or explanations. It really just reads like mediocre fanfiction, so I can understand how becoming a light novel and getting an editor would help.

That being said, so far the manga doesn't seem like it's really that much of improvement.

Edited by Arha on Jan 26th 2019 at 3:51:42 AM

doomrider7 (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#150: Jan 26th 2019 at 2:51:05 PM

The early chapters had really amateurish translation. All I can really say is that the flow is SIGNIFICANTLY better in the LN than the WN with a lot of things changed.

Edit: I screwed myself over by read a WN to LN changes sheet and spoiled a bunch of stuff for myself, but yeah suffice to say it's REALLY not about the fighting. That's just something that happens from time to time and it's more about a fantasy version of Civ, but as the monsters with some politics thrown in.

Edited by doomrider7 on Jan 26th 2019 at 7:56:58 AM


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