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Protagonist506 from 'MURICA Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Nov 7th 2019 at 11:54:21 PM

[up]Er, out of some morbid curiosity, what did he say?

"Any campaign world where an orc samurai can leap off a landcruiser to fight a herd of Bulbasaurs will always have my vote of confidence"
M84 Such heroic nonsense from Our little blue planet Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Such heroic nonsense
Nov 7th 2019 at 11:57:03 PM

Here's what Bigby said:

"Ever hear of a country called Israel? …Israel is a tiny country surrounded by much larger countries dedicated to its eventual total destruction. …they stay alive by being a bunch of tough little bastards who make the other guys pay dearly every time they do anything against Israel. Some in the wider world constantly wail and moan about the endless cycle of violence and reprisal. But since the alternative is non-existence, the Israelis seem determined to keep at it. They have a lot of grit and iron. I’m a big fan of them."

In the context of the story, he's comparing Fabletown to Israel to the Adversary (the first major Big Bad of the series) when explaining why trying to take over Fabletown will not end well for the Adversary.

Edited by M84 on Nov 9th 2019 at 4:00:17 AM

Disgusted, but not surprised
Kayeka World's biggest wannabe from Amsterdam Relationship Status: Brony
World's biggest wannabe
Nov 8th 2019 at 12:00:19 AM

There was also the railing against socialised healthcare in one of the early issues.

People say I have a problem with authority. I say that authority has a problem with me.
GoldenKaos Free as the flame from Ynys y Cedyrn - Europa Relationship Status: Tongue-tied
Free as the flame
Nov 8th 2019 at 1:27:05 AM

Gosh, I don't recall that one...

I read most of Fables when I was far less politically aware though, so I'm not surprised if I didn't pick up on some things.

Probably should be working.
Kayeka World's biggest wannabe from Amsterdam Relationship Status: Brony
World's biggest wannabe
Nov 8th 2019 at 1:35:02 AM

I mean, the fact that one of the early villains was a communist revolutionary probably should've tipped us off a bit sooner than that.

People say I have a problem with authority. I say that authority has a problem with me.
unknowing from somewhere..
Nov 8th 2019 at 1:36:41 AM

[up][up]Kinda, Im reading right now and prince charm who is a complete total asshole here pretty much promse social healthcare in the steriptypical way "I will give you free heath all the way, the goverment pay it all"

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
GoldenKaos Free as the flame from Ynys y Cedyrn - Europa Relationship Status: Tongue-tied
Free as the flame
Nov 8th 2019 at 1:45:09 AM

Fucking hell, you're right. I forgot about Goldilocks. Hooo, that's a strawman and a half right there...

Probably should be working.
unknowing from somewhere..
Nov 8th 2019 at 2:01:52 AM

Goldilocks was a communist because all the story who introduce her was expy of the russian revolution, it make me groan when I see how Red was going after white.....

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
M84 Such heroic nonsense from Our little blue planet Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Such heroic nonsense
Nov 8th 2019 at 2:05:54 AM

It's kind of funny (and a bit unnerving) how often one can look back on works they previously enjoyed back when they were younger and less savvy about stuff in general (especially politics) only to realize that said works are kind of fucked up.

I've long ago reached the stage of Acceptance when it comes to this, so I'm usually not too surprised whenever this happens.

Edited by M84 on Nov 8th 2019 at 6:06:41 PM

Disgusted, but not surprised
unknowing from somewhere..
Nov 8th 2019 at 2:17:16 AM

Which is funny because im reading fable right now(as in, actually right now) and while it show now and them, at least it have the decency of not being overbearing.

Which is okey in my book, I mean if you have diferent views, you can at least shove in the fringe of your works so I can enjoy your skill in crafting the story.

I dont think is that hard to ask.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
Kayeka World's biggest wannabe from Amsterdam Relationship Status: Brony
World's biggest wannabe
Nov 8th 2019 at 2:18:56 AM

I dunno, I thought it was dripping with it. I remember thinking to myself "I could get into this, if the dude could just stop parroting conservative talking points."

People say I have a problem with authority. I say that authority has a problem with me.
unknowing from somewhere..
Nov 8th 2019 at 2:22:23 AM

I usually seperate the view of the writer in part, from "stuff I find cool" to "stuff I didnt think enough" to "this is my ideological stuff and I want you to hear it" the later also from "point that happen in the book that align with my ideology" to "using chararter as talk piece" which what people think of being politcal.

I dont see the last one in fable, but quite of the former, right now im in wolf past as american solider and I dont know if count this propaganda or not, hard to said.

Edited by unknowing on Nov 8th 2019 at 6:29:30 AM

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
CharlesPhipps Author from Ashland, Ky Relationship Status: Lovey-Dovey
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Nov 8th 2019 at 2:32:14 AM

I mean, the fact that one of the early villains was a communist revolutionary probably should've tipped us off a bit sooner than that.

Are we defending the Russian Revolution now?

Author of The Supervillainy Saga, Cthulhu Armageddon, The United States of Monsters, and Lucifer's Star.
Kayeka World's biggest wannabe from Amsterdam Relationship Status: Brony
World's biggest wannabe
Nov 8th 2019 at 2:39:08 AM

More the fact that he abused historical context to build a straw-man against social politics, didn't address the fact that the animals/proletariat/serfs were given a bum deal besides "needing to be beaten down", and skipped straight to Stalinism in his portrayal.

People say I have a problem with authority. I say that authority has a problem with me.
Nov 8th 2019 at 2:39:22 AM

From what I remember, Goldilocks doesn't even believe the stuff she preaches.

I don't have my glasses so I can't read anything. I don't even know how I drove here.
unknowing from somewhere..
Nov 8th 2019 at 2:46:59 AM

[up]She is pretty much stalin in that portrayal, saying she dosent care about returing to the lands but rather becoming the new administrator of the farm after the deal was done.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
CharlesPhipps Author from Ashland, Ky Relationship Status: Lovey-Dovey
Author
Nov 8th 2019 at 3:06:43 AM

I tried to get into Fables after enjoying the Telltale game but, bluntly, it's just too mean spirited for me.

Author of The Supervillainy Saga, Cthulhu Armageddon, The United States of Monsters, and Lucifer's Star.
unknowing from somewhere..
Nov 8th 2019 at 3:10:09 AM

I dont know if mean sprited is the correct word for it, but is pretty brutal and very dark and edgy, specially since it dosent mean to kill chararter left and right.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
GoldenKaos Free as the flame from Ynys y Cedyrn - Europa Relationship Status: Tongue-tied
Free as the flame
Nov 8th 2019 at 3:32:01 AM

Goldilocks is pure caricature. She reads like a right-winger's impression of what a stereotypical Marxist Revolutionary would act like and then taken to a further extreme - (which is probably a spot on description of how her character's creation went). She also stands out by the fact she's (IIRC) the only prominent character whose political identity is a big part of her character.

Probably should be working.
unknowing from somewhere..
Nov 8th 2019 at 3:36:35 AM

I disagree, I mean she is pretty much what a radicalist act, she is pretty much the stalin of the equation and contrary of what many people think, hardcore communist does act like caricature much of the time.

I mean I agee the comic kinda look like a sort of reacionary fantasy of "what if the white could crush the uppity rebelion" specially since so far the issue of the farm being a gilded cage so far havent being adress(I least so far I have read, dont said anything yet).

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
GoldenKaos Free as the flame from Ynys y Cedyrn - Europa Relationship Status: Tongue-tied
Free as the flame
Nov 8th 2019 at 3:41:29 AM

She sleeps with a bear to "make a political statement". I dunno, that pushes it into caricature for me.

Probably should be working.
unknowing from somewhere..
Nov 8th 2019 at 3:54:59 AM

[up]That is her fetish since apparently she make pass to bluebeard servant, is and weird exaggeration of her being a girl with three bears, not much diferent from Prince charming being a complete asshole who knows is corrupt and do it anyway.

"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"
KazuyaProta Porky from A Industrial Farm Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
Porky
Nov 8th 2019 at 5:48:07 AM

The only impression I'll get from this is that Right wingers are unable to create worthwhile fiction

Watch me destroying my country
M84 Such heroic nonsense from Our little blue planet Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Such heroic nonsense
Nov 8th 2019 at 6:04:06 AM

Fables is...okay when it's not getting too much into real life politics.

Disgusted, but not surprised
raziel365 Anka Aquila from Lima, Perú Relationship Status: I've been dreaming of True Love's Kiss
Anka Aquila
Nov 8th 2019 at 6:32:41 AM

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Remember that beauty is in the Eye of the Beholder. It’s not like left wing authors can’t derail a story with an Author Tract.

Instead of focusing on relatives that divide us, maybe we should try to find the absolutes that tie us.

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