Politics in Media - The Good, the Bad, and the Preachy

(...of course this is going to be a page topper...)

Even with increased cartoonish supervillainy, I get the feeling a Captain Planet reboot will create an awful lot of real life enemies.

There's no criticism that won't be called overblown and unwarranted. Do you know how much the American lumber industry hates The Lorax? A lot. You wouldn't think one of the most powerful industries in the world wouldn't bother writing hundreds of editorials talking about how inaccurate, dangerous, and indoctrinating that book is—but they have. Also made attempts to get the book banned from school libraries.

The book just drives them crazy and they hate it.

They even wrote a parody rebuttal book. https://qz.com/quartzy/1353379/the-us-logging-industry-once-released-a-parody-response-to-the-lorax-called-truax/

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Aug 23rd 2019 at 11:28:54 AM

Loggers themselved aren't that big of a issue per se. It's more...farmers that hire them.

Seriously. If we got that meat-lab easily, then we could solve this issue by switching.

I wish that the Urban Legend of Mc Donalds having their own Bioengineered Meatbag species was true, because then nobody would have farming issues.

As a sidenote...Is normal that I never found it creepy? I mean, it was unnerving for sure, but then I was like...Yeah, Eating "Thing" meat can't be that bad.

Edited by KazuyaProta on Aug 23rd 2019 at 1:31:38 PM

Here's a 1989 article on their attempts against it just beginning and that never has stopped.

https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1989-09-18-mn-147-story.html

I don't think farmers hate the Lorax quite the same way.

The Impossible Whopper is supposedly designed with the idea of reducing reliance on meat if it catches on.

Edited by CharlesPhipps on Aug 23rd 2019 at 11:32:31 AM

They should, because they are the cause of the biggest deforestation.

Is like Coal Miners, they are trying to recover a dying industry.

Heck. A lot of COH 2 emissions aren't because Big Scary Fabrics.

...it's because Cows.

Edited by KazuyaProta on Aug 23rd 2019 at 1:35:11 PM

To be fair, The Lorax has the issue of, essentially, making the logging industry specifically appear to be the big problem. The actual cause of deforestation is mostly the cattle industry.

Yeah. Blaming loggers alone is like blaming a knife rather than the killer

Most loggers in the Western world do so renewably these days though, don't they? Not just for environmental reasons, but because they want the company to be able to harvest lumber from the same land in a few decades time.

I feel that what they deforest a region for is kind of irrelevant to the story, honestly.

A Kneed is whatever you need after all.

I guess? It makes sense. One of the reasons why the recklessness of many industries is so infuriating is because it's not just bad for the Ecosystem, but also for their own economical stability.

It’s the action of the ilegal loggers that we have to pay attention to, the legal companies at least have the sense of foresight to know that depredating is bad for business and image.

Illegal anything are the worst by far. I think the current Amazon fire is actually caused because Bolsonaro basically enabled them to act, right?

Don't forget illegal minery, which is extra toxic. It says a lot about how awful is a country like Venezuela that the government is actually working with the criminal gangs and allowing them to set illegal mines, often using forced labor.

...Yeah, I'm with the team that Nuance is on a crisis.

Edited by KazuyaProta on Aug 23rd 2019 at 3:26:09 AM

"Illegal anything are the worst by far. I think the current Amazon fire is actually caused because Bolsonaro basically enabled them to act, right?"

That's what I've been reading.

Someone mentioned that in Captain Planet the Heart Ring was more useful than that Fire Ring when you stopped to think about it. In cases like this though, Wheeler was more immediately useful when he chased of illegal poachers and other criminals with a carefully aimed flame stream.

While indeed green aseop as misatropic in nature(jaja) is kinda unavoidable because....well, we human does a lot of shit and is mostly our fault in part for how our sociaty is set, at some point you need to point finger, otherwise it you would look toothless.

@Kazuya

I do have to make the distinction because some positions have been radicalized to see the logging and mining industry as pernicious by default, in spite of legislation or whether it’s legal or not.

I think we need to clarify that misanthropic means "Doesn't like people" and there's a difference between that and "People are doing a bad thing." Not that some Green Aesop stories don't dip into the former, but we should make sure not to paint to broad a picture here.

Also, I was looking through the Green Aesop page and found this nugget:

That sub-bullet, besides being natter, is something I've never heard before. Is that true?

Yeah. There cases where people conflates both of them as well.

Also. I'm thinking in how Authoritarianism can lead to stereotypical Cult-like behavior. It's...a very disturbing thing, Mao's Personality Cult, especially during the days of the Cultural Revolution (Seeing photos of teenagers crying towards Mao's portrait is...something) or how entire Units of the Imperial Japanese Army outright not just allowed, but encouraged Cannibalism (I can't find the article yet, but there's evidence that...yeah, Cannibalism was actually systematic in the IJA).

The IJA is a bizarre case where somehow they fulfill every Yellow Peril trope. It feels weird to look at racist American propaganda and then realize that it wasn't that far from reality.

Edited by KazuyaProta on Aug 23rd 2019 at 8:01:56 AM

I figured that when people say 'misanthropic' here, what they mean by that in this context is 'believes that humans are naturally predisposed to the wanton destruction of nature, willfully and gleefully, and anyone who defies this pattern is some kind of rare anomaly'.

Wait, Crichton was an anti-environmentalist!? With all his book themes of "don't tamper with mother nature" and calling science the "rape of the natural world" I thought the complete opposite!

He called science "the rape of the natural world"?

Wow, I am very happy I haven't consumed any of his works.

That's vile.

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Aug 23rd 2019 at 6:42:31 AM

Yeah, that sounds like some Gaia Worship than anything else.

That's deeply unfair to Michael Crichton. The "Discovery is always the rape of the natural world" was a line from Jurassic Park. It's attributed to Crichton but that's like saying "There is no good or evil, only power." - J. Rowling.

And I say that knowing Michael Cricthon was a climate change denier so screw him.

Ah, I wasn't aware that it was a quote from one of his works.

Still, considering the Climate Change denial my position stands

Was? As in past tense?

"Was" because he is past tense. He died in 2008.