Why has Social Justice and Feminism become such Pervasive Topics?

Its way to early to judge whether that show will be good or not.

In regards to Social Justice itself. There is many injustices around the world that have been going on for a long long time and people in the past that suffered from such injustices were either stifled or ignored completely.

The Internet is the perfect platform for these folks to make their voices heard. I personally would choose them over pointless reductionist contrarian alt-righters anyday that just use disadvantaged peoples as shields for their shittiness.

I don't really get why diversity can't be "done for the sake of it", or why it has to be "believable". Seems like a sticking point that shouldn't be one since the inverse (Monochrome Casting, Chromosome Casting, and others) is hardly questioned.

Honestly. I think that it had a point...which is mood because actually those groups are irrealistically underrepresented.

Basically, the realism argument falls flat because reality actually contain those groups.

I mean, Latinos are the less represented group despite being slighty more than Black People.

Edited by KazuyaProta on Aug 27th 2018 at 9:05:46 AM

This is one of the many ways fiction has lagged behind reality.

Let's not forget the "historical accuracy" argument that assholes like to bring out when they don't want women in videogames.

Edited by M84 on Aug 27th 2018 at 10:10:35 PM

Heck. There was a female Russian Monarch that is one of the biggest murderers of Eurasia. Dunno about her name but she went against Native Siberians due to Russian Colonization (and Native siberians are related to native americans, It don't matter where you went, it seems that white people killing people with those genetic traits is a genetic trait of it's own)

Basically, you can play them as Villains too. Is not like you should always play them as woobies.

(The common bigot argument is that "SJW" writing woman in ancient times would basically just writing them as woobies with no agency).

And of course, their obsession with European history, which is sad because there a lot of cool stuff there.

Edited by KazuyaProta on Aug 27th 2018 at 9:25:46 AM

Gets a bit weird when I see people rewriting stories to be representative... of US demographics. In a story set in Britain that was pretty accurate to the time and place. Without putting any further thought into it than superficial changes.

Still, we're talking about works that suffered from underrepresentation even by those standards. That's how bad it's been for a long time.

Like I said, this is one area in which fiction lags behind reality. Because for too long it's pandered to the prejudices of the storytellers and their audiences.

Heck, getting network execs to sign off on gay characters in cartoons is still like pulling teeth.

Edited by M84 on Aug 27th 2018 at 11:55:15 PM

Even though I'm not a fan of the series, Battlefield V runs into the problem Raineh Daze stated above me.

Female Soldiers in WWII I'm fine, because there were russian snipers on their end.

The main issue is that the developers of the game themselves said they were going for "Historical Accuracy" as many of the anti Social Justice and anti Diversity assholes like to exclaim. ...While showing promotional videos of a british female soldier (Something that didn't happen at all, the females on most of the Allied front in WWII were field medics, Russian sniper units disregarded) with a prosthetic Steampunk arm thats far more advanced for its time period then it has any right to be. Doesn't sound very true to "Historical Accuracy" now, does it?

I'm fine with some liberties taken for Historical fiction, but there's a suspension of disbelief needed for some of them, and The way they protrayed the female character kinda pushes that to a breaking point. I'd love to have played a seperate campaign as a female russian sniper in the frozen parts of western russia, and a male campaign taking place in western europe. It woulddgive more variety on set peices and gameplay styles, even.

Oh yeah, it's just when I see something like "and now basically the entire cast is black and zero other changes made", which just seems...odd to do to something set in Britain? The largest non-white minorities are Asian.

What do you mean the entire cast? If you mean the characters the story follows, then yeah, it would be their social circle that gets the attention. That is why the "representative of demographics" thing falls flat since people tend to associate with others like themselves.

It's not the times it's been limited to that which have seemed strange enough to stick out. I've seen both.

Edited by RainehDaze on Aug 27th 2018 at 5:15:03 PM

I have been hearing recently that the devs actually said it was alternate history or history buffed up an bit.

So either they went back on that or there was an massive communication failure between the concept team of Battlefield V and the marketing team.

I wouldn't be surprised if it was an marketing team fuck up.

Edit: Not sure how this post ended up here?

Edited by Wispy on Aug 27th 2018 at 9:31:19 AM

One of the weirdest things in my country is that the ethnic group that suffer the biggest amounts of abuse are...the second biggest population.

Our black people are like, 2% but have several national icons. While the natives are like, ignored.

Is just...weird to think about. Like, is amazing having so much notable afroperuvians. But is sad see that natives have no equivalent.

Anyway, to answer the original OP question: the push for diversity is becoming more and more common because more and more minorities are gradually — very gradually — gaining more power. And they want to be seen in more stories.

And frankly, that's a good thing. One that is long overdue. But we've still got a ways to go.

Why are Social Justice and Feminism such pervasive topics? Simple: because for too long we've pretended they didn't matter. You can only ignore a problem for so long.

Battlefield V's marketing was a disgrace. It's probably a major reason its pre-orders are low. That and the awful timing (between the newest Call of Duty and Red Dead Redemption 2? Really, EA?)

Edited by M84 on Aug 28th 2018 at 12:48:24 AM

Doesn't EA control the marketing?

Cause that would explain a lot.

Yes, it does. There's a reason I don't buy EA games anymore.

Social justice has become more visible partly due to our current technology giving people a voice. A lot of these issues are ones that have been talked about for a while, but not given much attention. It isn't like a bunch of people had these views spontaneously. They just couldn't be heard.

Social media's a mixed blessing like that.

I've seen a similar argument being made on Wikipedia about I think that website (although it isn't "social media") that is that marginalized groups are often the first to adopt a new communication medium.

I think it's a big deal because a lot of white males are butthurt about the whole thing.

Honestly, it was always a big deal. The internet is just amplifying the voices of those who care about those topics.

It's worth pointing out that a lot of fiction from the 80's or earlier suffers from a bad case of the Smurfette Principle for no good reason (assuming they even have a female character). And I really do mean, no good reason; it's an interesting exercise to take a random fictional character and see how much or little of their story changes if you tweak their gender or race. And yet many people will complain if you suddenly replace the Flash with a Latino woman.

Part of the reason that critical studies exist is to point out the underlying structural inequality in fiction.

I've always felt like the people who complain about political correctness being everywhere are the ones who look at a comment saying "Why was this character's gay romance cut from the story?" and conclude that everyone now wants homosexuality in every work.

It will never stop being frustrating when people go, "I accept without question the existence of dragons, wizards, and elves in Medieval Europe. But I draw the line at black dwarves."