Lindsay Ellis

Yeah… happily listening to Arthur Brown's "Fire" only to find the comment section inexplicably invaded by islamophobic psychopaths is not a pleasant experience…

There's an option on youtube to only show greenlit comments iirc, but with hundreds of comments it's not exactly easy to implement…

Which video was that?

Edited by Lyendith on May 24th 2019 at 3:25:03 PM

I suppose it’s not for nothing that every You Tube clip of Conspiracy that I’ve seen had the comments disabled.

Edited by KarkatTheDalek on May 24th 2019 at 10:45:48 AM

Looks like I was sorta right with Lindsay thinking about doing and episode on Shrek (specifically Shrek 1) mainly as a way to maybe vent why she doesn't like it in a little more detail and then segue into the Katzenberg/Eisner drama

But it's a shame she might not do it now because anti-semites are crawling around youtube like weevils and seeth about "the jews in Big Hollywood"

honestly, I didn't even know that this is currently a thing in relation to Katzenberg, but I shouldn't be surprised.

I think Lindsay said in a Q&A a while back that she didn't want to do a video on Shrek anyway.

I think thats the one where she said she didn't want to do Shrek or Prince of Egypt despite having Many Words To Say On The Subject because she didn't want to be bombared with gish-galloping, sealioning or just plain salt by people who didn't like how she tore into and snarkily criticised a movie they're fond of.

Edited by PippingFool on May 24th 2019 at 11:56:49 PM

I get that. She took a small jab towards Anastasia in the last video, and some commenters were treating it like she had personally assassinated the real-life Anastasia. If she was to devote an entire video towards criticizing Shrek or Prince of Egypt, both of which are more fondly remembered than Anastasia, I'd expect a proportional backlash.

Did they forget that she once took potshots at Anastasia before?

Also damn, while I thought the video was flawed I never realized it would balloon like that.

Edited by Ookamikun on May 25th 2019 at 6:13:59 PM

You're asking reactionary blowhards for nuance based on past context? Good luck with that.

Film Brain did a review of the live action remake of Aladdin (now I get why everyone is suddenly so full of Aladdin this week):

The gist of it is that it is essentially the same, but losing a lot of the original's magic, mainly through CGI animals who are just... animals, most notably Jago.

Maybe Lindsay will do a video about these remakes soon?

An interesting comment by the way, is that Disney is basically too successful at this point as a film company. They don't need to take risks and chances, they can just recycle the same material over and over and make loads of money anyway. I have to agree, this is exactly what seems to be happening. You see it with the Star Wars sequels as well, generally staying with tried and tested elements and characters from the original. Yes, there are new characters and plot elements, but in many ways, it also plays it relatively safe.

Edited by Redmess on May 25th 2019 at 1:24:11 PM

Her Beauty and the Beast video basically covers the subject of Disney's live action remakes. Even if she doesn't tear into the other movies that specifically, they are produced with similar enough formula that almost everything said there applies to the others as well.

Edited by Xeroop on May 25th 2019 at 4:37:21 AM

Tell that to the people who hated TLJ. >.>

…But yeah, that's mostly true. And it's only gonna get worse if Disney keeps majinbuing every major company in the business.

Edited by Lyendith on May 25th 2019 at 1:39:11 PM

Well, TLJ was delibirately subverting things for the sake of subverting them, with little rhyme or reason.

Pardon me, I couldn't help but overhear. Would you mind showing me evidence of any negative thing Rian Johnson has ever done to you?

"Subverting expectations" is basically a meaningless buzzword at this point and I'm gonna terminate that thought here because this isn't a Star Wars thread. >_>

...I looked at the Youtube comments (yes, I know, bad idea) and actually didn't see any of the antisemitism Lindsay mentioned. It was mostly people gushing about the Robin Williams clips right at the end of the video. I've no doubt that if I actually went looking for the bigots I'd find them easily, but I'm not brave enough for that. >_<

The antisemitic comments have been getting deleted, so you might not find them even if you look

But yeah, for as much as Katzenberg is in the blame, I still think it's Disney's own damn fault for continuing it even with him gone. At that point it's at them and trying to burn him down is kind of missing it.

Oh the Aladdin movie is more than terrible CGI.

Let's remove the energy the cartoon had! Let's remove Aladdin's personality from being actually guile to "oh the guy can do sleigh of hand... epic!" Let's try to give Jafar shallow background (even though he doesn't really need one). Let's give Jasmin what I call corporate feminism (a shallow form at attempting "feminism")! Somehow let's make the sultan even more ineffectual!

You know how much energy the original Prince Ali segment was in the cartoon, with Genie popping in and out in the crowd? Let's remove that and just focus on the parade float like some fucking Disney Winter Parade!

But I digress...

Yeah, they generally all have that air of "them crazy gen-z people thinking meta!" which she has covered in her BB review. Honestly Maleficent is the least sinful of this and you can see why she thinks it's guilty pleasure. The live action 101 Dalmatians and pre-live action remake Jungle Book were so unique too in their own take.

I am honestly shocked Disney skipped The Little Mermaid.

Edited by Ookamikun on May 26th 2019 at 5:22:52 PM

Probably because The Little Mermaid is less readily translatable to live action. How would you even portray Ariel with a tail? And you can't exactly compromise by having her have legs as a mermaid, because that defeats the whole point of the story.

Live action mermaid movies have been done before. Although as one other person stated on the Disney live action thread, Disney's probably been hesitant at a Little Mermaid remake because filming underwater is challenging and expensive.

They do seem to have gotten back on track with it, but I wonder if the success of "Aquaman" made them change their minds.

Edited by Brandon on May 26th 2019 at 3:32:28 AM

Just make the fish parts CGI. Shouldn't be that complex.

> I am honestly shocked Disney skipped The Little Mermaid.

Same,I suspect it's underwater sections that are the hardest to do due to the cost

They're going to need a lot of good CGI

Edited by Ultimatum on May 26th 2019 at 10:56:30 AM

Uh, a lot of that CGI is done around actors in mocap suits. Like, the guy who played the Beast (Steve something I forgot his name) was wearing a suit with stilts in the feet, which was then animated over. That's a large part of how they get the movement to look natural. It's a lot easier to animate over something that you can still film in a dry studio. And a studio like Disney is likely to WANT to do something like this at least partly in the water, just to show they can.

Assuming animating anything isn't that hard seems... presumptuous, really.

And you do know that mermaids in live action films have been done, right?

Hell, even live action movies done by Disney (Pirates of the Caribbean 4 had mermaids iirc)

Not quite the same as creating a movie which plays for a large part under water. But now that Aquaman has shown how it can be done, I wouldn't be surprised if they revisit The Little Mermaid. Especially since Aladdin is apparently making all the money AGAIN. For some reason.