Proposed deletion of Summer2016Anime and all preceding pages

These pages are unique to the media, lacking in description and yet not really indices, in poor English with improper formatting and many red-links. They are not updated, and are an expansion of threads which are far more dedicated to the subject matter: a forum thread is also where the subject matter really belongs on this wiki, anyway.

Proposal to simply cut them all, despite the ridiculous number of inbounds (over 10,000 in a couple of months!).

(see Summer 2016 Anime, Spring 2016 Anime, etc.)

edited 10th Aug '16 2:47:08 PM by lakingsif

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It's not clear why Trope Talk would be the appropriate place for such a thread so I've moved it elsewhere.

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman

As the person that's done most of the work on maintaining the things... I take issue with much of your reasoning, but I never felt the things really needed to exist, either

While I agree wholeheartedly that they're entirely unnecessary, I vote we just not bother in the future rather than retroactively delete all of them. Which would actually create more work. Just... let them die.

Found a Youtube Channel with political stances you want to share? Hop on over to this page and add them.

I am afraid I have to side with the cut them camp. Tv tropes is not a tv guide or site for listing upcoming features. I also agree that said content is not suited for wiki pages but as a forum thread.

Who watches the watchmen?

I never thought these pages were a good thing to have.

Are they not an index?

"But don't give up hope. Everyone is cured sooner or later. In the end we shall shoot you." - O'Brien, 1984

indexing is on for the pages, but (last I checked, so I could actually be very wrong) I think that's not how indices are supposed to be set up.

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I agree with cutting them. I didn't understand why we had them in the first place.

Seems like all the 8 people that think it's a negative/discard thing are here commenting while there still is a lot more people that want it to stay and it keeps going up with more added hats.

edited 12th Oct '16 8:12:48 AM by Zynos

... wait, what?

Found a Youtube Channel with political stances you want to share? Hop on over to this page and add them.

Maybe they should participate in the topic then?

Or we could make a crowner for this topic, if that'd help.

I don't see any point to deleting the pages, particularly when they're far from the most off-mission things on the wiki. Not hurting anything to keep what's there around

They are somewhat redundant with the Sub-folders in the Decade indexes. Maybe we can sort the yearly folders by season?

edited 13th Oct '16 6:16:25 AM by Kiefen

That's how I feel. I don't think they should exist, and I don't think they should continue to be made, but no real point in deleting the existing ones. Other than possible Index Bloat.

EDIT: Actually, I'm changing to cut because of Index Bloat. Any Anime that's had multiple seasons winds up on a ridiculous amount of indexes, which is a problem.

edited 13th Oct '16 6:30:04 AM by Larkmarn

Found a Youtube Channel with political stances you want to share? Hop on over to this page and add them.

In favor of a cut. Looks like a bunch of stubs.

And no, I don't have any horse in this race.

Haven't looked at these, so I actually have no opinion on whether they should stay or go, but saying "these ones are ok, but we don't want any more" never works. Too many people learn by imitation, and if they see these pages, they'll think they should make more like them. If you're going to get rid of them, just do it.

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I completely disagree with cutting them, they are really nice to find out what is airing when and up and coming shows that have or need pages.

I am very much against yearly sorting because unlike western shows they are always airing, every 12-13 weeks new shows start. Each season is basically a year in anime time, especially in recent years as 24 or 52 episode animes are the exceptions and not the rule.

edited 14th Oct '16 5:09:09 AM by Memers

You can just as easily turn to a wide variety of websites and youtube channels to do the same thing. There is zero reason to host the page on tropes. Again were are not a tv guide or season listing service and this is just yet more work to keep it up.

Who watches the watchmen?

I don't really see why this is a problem and useful notes, analyses, headscratchers and WMG aren't

Useful Notes actually are relevant to fiction, but are not necessarily a work.. WMG is clearly fun for the users specifically and about fictional works. Headscratchers can admittedly go as well, but it still is talking about the work specifically too.

All this is is a poor index that really doesn't categorize anything very well beyond "what date it exists". I can understand something like "Anime of [year]", but it shouldn't be relevant if it's Summer, or Winter, etc. It stops being an index by that point and is only there for people to look up what show they want to watch, which is not the purpose of TV Tropes. We're supposed to trope the content. Of course, there's nothing wrong with having a few fun things, but we're not a TV Guide, basically. These things don't serve a very useful purpose. Again, it's fine to index what year the show debuted in, since that's a little easier to use for more academic purposes. But the way they're being used is a pure TV Guide, which is extremely irrelevant to the site.

And Analysis is far more relevant too, seeing as it's talking about the work in general. Tropes are basically pieces of the work, which we need to analyze in general find thus trope. Analysis as a namespace is far more indepth looks into the work itself. It's more of a fun thing, but still is notable. It's underused, but again, still quite relevant to a work in general, as well as the tropes.

I don't see why year is inherently more important than season, in particular as seasons are what the anime industry uses.

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In the same way that wikipedia is relevant to fiction, I guess. Very few of them I've seen are concerned with their relevance to fictional matters

Er? TV anime being divided by season is a simple fact

I was under the impression that we're supposed to be about tropes, with works being an outgrowth of that?

Correct. Our mission statement is not strictly relevant to the question at hand.

The concern on the one side is that index bloat will occur if we permit every season to have its own article. As a purely organizational principle, it helps if all of our media indexes follow a similar pattern: medium and year. Otherwise someone not familiar with how anime are organized might get confused. We should write to the most general possible audience rather than using medium and/or genre-specific terminology and conventions in our wiki. Further, we do not seek to be an authoritative source of information for people seeking to keep current on what anime is releasing when.

The concern on the other side is that we aren't properly representing how anime releases are structured; they hold that seasonal indexes are not intrusive and they are more accurate than annual indexes.

From my perspective, the only thing we should be an authoritative source on is tropes and their examples in media. Everything else is a side-show. However, as problems go, this is not a major one; neither is there likely to be a slippery slope effect wherein people see seasonal anime indexes and start reorganizing Literature by month or something equally stupid.

edited 14th Oct '16 9:40:19 PM by Fighteer

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Same can be said for every single thing on this website, nothing is unique on the internet these days. However to goes beyond that though, it is an issue of sorting. In the west we have 1 main season per year and some midseason replacements, which we and others do sort by and index by when these air.

Japan does not do reruns outside of cable TV and things are always airing. Every 13 weeks, anime has its equivalent to fall premiere shows where 40+ shows start and things are sorted that way by indexers of said shows. Anime just moves 4x as fast as shows in the west, to its detriment as so much ends up forgotten in the shuffle but still that's the way it is done.

I mean not counting the Kodomomuke stuff, which follows different rules, this is what started airing on the fall season

And they should properly indexed on a airing Fall season 2016 page. The only big difference from other pages and what anime pages have done is the anime pages will give a laconic or promo image about the series usually made before the series aired in lieu of a page, which will be created eventually. And considering how polarizing some animes are, these help.

EDIT: The difference is a big deal when it comes to stuff like Dueling Shows, several similar series aired the same year but never actually competed against each other thus negating them as an example

edited 15th Oct '16 8:57:47 AM by Memers