Diversity and Representation in Media

Netflix Has Hired a New Screenwriter to Write an Alice in Wonderland/Wizard of Oz Crossover.

Bad idea. Alice in wonderland's main point is that it is utterly nonsensical. That's why the Disney animated movie is to this day the best adaptation of it. Inserting any kind of narrative into it really ruins the very point of Alice in Wonderland.

And what does this have anything to do with the topic of this thread?

"Anna Klassen, who rose to fame in the world of screenwriting with a script for a JK Rowling biopic called When Lightning Strikes, which hit the 2017 Black List of most popular original screenplays on the market.

Klassen began her career in screenwriting after a stint in entertainment journalism, and is currently working with Netflix on this and one other project. The initial plot of Dorothy and Alice, which is said to be changing in Klassen’s treatment, followed Dorothy and Alice teaming up to save their respective fantasy realms from destruction.

Regardless of what brings these girls together, this has the makings of a potentially intriguing project, and I’ll be following it in the hopes it makes it all the way to production."

You don't often hear about women in screenwriting sooo,that's it

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I'm seeing too many people in Twitter brush off Joker 2019 as nothing but a "poor symphathetic white man going insane because society is unfair" as if the movie was an incel power fantasy.

Then again, who even takes twitter seriously.

Edited by fasoman1996 on Apr 7th 2019 at 11:23:20 AM

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Plus, it's a fantasy series that will star two young women.

I didn't know that Alice was an inspiration for Evangellion.

Jokes aside, The antagonists (The Queen of Hearts and the Wicked Witch of the West) are also women, as is Glinda the Good Witch. So that's 5 women guaranteed to be in the cast (bar Composite Characters).

Edited by MorningStar1337 on Apr 7th 2019 at 7:34:23 AM

5 women but can you call it diverse if most of them are white?

Alice let's face it is your quintessential English girl,Dorthy is from Kansas and in portrayals is white (though giving her a racelift wouldn't be a bad idea all things considered)

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One of them is green thought

E.T technically is a Isekai movie

As if we need green representation!]

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I just noticed there was a game titled We. The Revolution about the French Revolution. This title sounds so much like "We the people" that it is hard not to think that they are transposing the American Revolution into France. Weird choice.

I don't remember examples as exaggerated as Krone though…

Huh… I sure hope it's less filled with counter-revolutionary clichés than the Assassin's Creed game was. :x We don't need another game that reduces the French Rev' to the guillotine and Evil Robespierre…

Something is wrong with me that hearing the word Counter Revolutionary makes me feel uncomfortable.

Again. I'm living almost next to the modern embodiment of Full-Circle Revolution, so that's why.

Edited by KazuyaProta on Apr 7th 2019 at 4:51:08 AM

Watch me destroying my country

Having not played any Assassin's Creed game, I must say I am wondering whether Lyendith picked the wrong word or really means counter-revolutionary. I agree this word normally belongs in propaganda vocabulary.

Trivia: "Tous contre la contre révolution" (everyone against counter-revolution, but that sounds sillier in French) was a slogan that appeared in the main book for the French tabletop rpg named Cendres.

Edited by gropcbf on Apr 7th 2019 at 12:14:47 PM

Dunno… Anti-revolutionary? Anyway, I mean the imagery and discourse that depicts the FR in a grossly negative light, stripped of all its complexity. It's all too common, even nowadays. Especially since the entire 19th century was a messy tug of war between the Republic, the Monarchy and the Napoleonic empires, each painting their own picture of the Revolution.

I think we mostly say counter-revolutionary about something that happens (or someone who lives) while a revolution is happening. That would be a synonym to "enemy of the people" for revolutionaries.

I don't think we have a word for someone today who dislikes the French revolution as it happened. As you noticed in the 19th century they would probably be labelled as Monarchists.

Edited by gropcbf on Apr 7th 2019 at 12:50:50 PM

Regarding Alice and Dorothy:

If I recall correctly, the series Emerald City racelifted Dorothy (and one of the witches, albeit one with a minor part), so there's precedence to show that it can be done. Alice has a fairly well-ingrained image, I think, so it might be less widely-accepted to rework her—but I don't think that it's impossible at all.

Edited by ArsThaumaturgis on Apr 7th 2019 at 1:13:00 PM

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Well, Alice is kind of based on a real life person who was the daughter of a British, well-off family, and there are people who are already bothered if you change her dress from red to blue. Dorothy on the other hand is from an American Farm, and most of the iconography regarding her is related to her clothing and not her looks - but then, the red slippers are an invention of the movie, so they would have to change this anyway, since the owners of the movie also have the right to this idea and the movie is currently owned by (you might have guessed it) Disney...just in case you have ever wondered why the red slippers don't turn up in so many adaptations.

So if I wanted to race-lift a character, I would pick Dorothy. Thus said, I don't think that it is impossible in either case, it is just a little bit more difficult to sell in Alice's case. And remember, a lot of the nonsense in Alice in Wonderland is a direct reference to the often nonsensical rules of society back in the day. Which makes it a little bit more difficult to plug the character out of said society and have her still being Alice....

thus said, this won't be a good adaptation anyway, for the reason I stated above. So depending on what they planned, it might not make a difference anyway, and changing Alice might be a way to signal "not the Alice you know". Though what's the point then?

Well, there's The Wiz for the Oz story with an all black cast. And recently a New Jersey high school did a version with Dorothy played by a disabled actress and Toto played by her real life service dog.

Hey, that’s cool

I don’t see anything wrong with keeping Alice traditional English girl or making it a different background

You can make Alice Black British. I think Alice is so English in culture that it would feel wrong to change it to American. Then again they did have that series in the 90's with an American Alice.

The Muppets version of the story, which apparently only I remember, had Ashanti as Dorothy and Queen Latifah as Aunt Em. ^note Quentin Tarantino is also in it, because... reasons?

Edit for what the heck just happened?

Edited by Pseudopartition on Apr 7th 2019 at 10:42:48 AM

@Pseudopartition

I remember that as well. They also lifted it to modern day.

I remember the Muppets Oz take as well. Where was Tarantino in that?

Power of Thor!