Star Wars Episode VIII: The Last Jedi

Oh please.

Rose deserves her show, I look forward to it, and hopefully it allow us to see more of her sister.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Feb 19th 2019 at 11:29:03 AM

No she doesn’t! There’s no story to tell with her, no deeper meaning into the mythology of the universe or the history of the conflicts, which both The Mandalorian and a Darth Bane series would theoretically provide (and I’m actually looking forward to the Mandalorian given the heavy Western vibe). Clone Wars’ take on Jar Jar worked because of the heavy amount of self deprecating tones they took and the fact he wasn’t the lead, and that heavily humanized him. Rose? There’s nothing to be done with the character.

I don't think any character of the sequel trilogy has much potential for a spin-off. Their role is played.

There’s that too. The Mandalorian is his own character in a completely different side of space and Bane dates to the Old Republic era.

Shit I'll go for a Darth Bane show.

Anything to get his story adapted.

Just don't skimp out on how much of an evil bastard he was.

If they can make a whole new story out of one sentence in A New Hope, then the Galaxy’s the limit for Rose.

No, there really isn’t. Even the aforementioned material with Jar Jar had him as a supporting character. I mean, if you were going to make her a supporting character in Resistance, I would get that (and I don’t watch it so whatever) because she’s part of an ensemble. But not as a lead.

If all you have to say is “nuh-uh, nuh-uh”, then move along because a story is clearly happening.

I’m rather mystified by the attempt to equivocate Rose to Jar Jar, of all people. You don’t have to like her, but really now.

Edited by KarkatTheDalek on Feb 19th 2019 at 11:56:48 AM

Yeah I think calling her Jar Jar is just going too far.

The line of A New Hope was a fleshing out of world-building based on a tantalizing lead. Rose has neither as far as I see it. She's a solid character (by the sub-par standards of the ST), but there's nothing about her outside of the scope of the films that really interest me.

But if they want to do it, it's not like I'm going to get mad at it. There's not much to be mad at it, it's just a project that doesn't interest me at all. Disney has long alienated me from this franchise to a point where I'm just watching it unfold with a detached curiosity rather than active engagement.

x3 Actually they said it was under consideration, not that it was being made. This is the usual feeling out process for these sorts of things, and my objections are that of all the proposals they have made, the Rose one is the worst idea of the lot. Even the Leia prequel, as annoying as prequels can be, could be fascinating if it goes into the nuts and bolts of the pre-Rebellion Empire. The Rose spinoff is the worst idea of the lot, and it doesn’t really feel like it will say anything interesting.

Edited by Beatman1 on Feb 19th 2019 at 12:00:02 PM

It feels like Lucasfilm is jumping the gun here. The streaming service hasn’t even been released and they still have about 5 or 6 ideas for Star Wars series. The only ones that I’m excited for are Clone Wars season 7, the Mandalorian, and The Darth Bane series.

I like Rose Tico. She's one of the few characters who pretty much started as a redshirt — she's just a mechanic. She's not an ace fighter or a Jedi or a rogue or anything like that. Plus, she's still grieving for her sister. That gives us a lot of character and backstory to work with, especially if they delve into her past with her sister and how she came to join the Resistance as a mechanic and her sister as a bomber.

Damn, now I really want to see a show about Rose.

The unique viewpoint that Rose offers is that of someone whose life has been ruined by war and greed, without her having had the power to be an active participant in changing the outcome. Her people were exploited and murdered by the First Order for their resources, and her sister died suicide bombing a Dreadnought while Rose was an engine room somewhere. This is an experience that's much closer to that of the average viewer, since most of us don't have the option of picking up a laser sword or a gun and setting right all that is wrong, because even if that was an optimal solution we're too structurally disempowered to make a difference.

(I think this is part of why she has such an immediately negative reaction to Finn stealing an escape pod. She's spent so much of her life feeling helpless that seeing someone who's supposed to have power and agency run away from the fight shook her to her core.)

This is why it's her with Finn on Canto Bight and not Poe. Poe would go there, get the mission done, and leave without ever pausing long enough to challenge Finn's worldview. But Rose, who knows well what oppression looks like, has already seen past the glitzy surface to the rot beneath. She doesn't see the suits and champagne, she sees the kids being whipped because she's been that kid.

Plenty of people have talked before about how they want to see more Star Wars that's about ordinary folk rather than legendary heroes. So yeah, I want to see what happens in a story that's about a bitter but idealistic mechanic fixing hyperdrives in the midst of a neo-fascist takeover. It'd be more thematically interesting than Solo.

Ordinary folks usually means people that aren’t magic space wizards. Rose’s entire story just sounds like one giant depression-fest, which is fitting thematically with TLJ, but why would anyone want to follow that? She exists, her life sucks, her life sucks some more, and then she nearly gets Finn killed. I get not wanting to focus on the magic space wizards (some of the best episodes of Clone Wars were about the clone troopers, their fears, doubts, but also their triumphs and meaning in a galaxy that could any second brush them off as no better than the soulless droids they’re fighting) especially since as a kid the X-Wing Series was one of my favorite book series’.

A Rose series feels, conversely, like an exercise in redundancy and a rather depressing affair as a story.

Edited by Beatman1 on Feb 19th 2019 at 1:48:53 PM

The stories you can tell about a refugee-turned-anticapitalist-mechanic are different from the stories you can tell about a race of vat-grown super-soldiers with mind control implants.

Though since you mention focusing on fears, doubts, and triumphs - hold on a hot second, those are all things Rose has as well.

You just described her backstory up to TLJ, which is essentially one failure after another, one tragedy after another, and I’m kinda sick of that being the key theme of Star Wars. Tragedy that is pointless to resist.

I think this is why the idea of The Mandalorian appeals to me so much. A man, (or a woman, let’s not be biased) in a section of space without law, with just his (or her) wits and a gun like the Western heroes of old, making his slice of the world a better place, and actually being able to have some sort of a positive effect. It needs to be for something, or else you’ll have an audience asking why they’re following this.

That would be great to see a Darth Bane series especially if it starts before he became Lord of the sith.

It could even do a bit more with his military career and Training at the Sith Academy.

We only know the broadest possible strokes of her backstory, which was what I described.

I mean, I guess they could make the show nothing but horrible thing after horrible thing, with no moments of levity, hope, humanity, or triumph. Though that's typically not how stories or even people's lives work, and it's certainly never how Star Wars has been, so it's deeply weird to assume that such would be the case.

I find weird both takes, teh idea you NEED a positive efect or ending is so erronous as to said true art is angsty and the other is too much "it rreflect on me" which while good, lack the gravitas that draw people on SW in the first place.

I would like to see a bunch of sith trying to loot a ancient sith templer and awaking whatever is there.

I dislike Canto Blight and everything to do with it. That being said, I think Rose is a good enough character regardless. I don't object to her getting a spin-off even if I have no interest in watching it.

Kinda surprised there’s no Doctor Aphra series announced as she’s been starring in one of Disney’s most popular comics, but I hope they announce one in the future or have her turn up in one of the shows.

You can have an ultimately bad end, or something that amounts to precious little in the grand scheme of things. But Darkness-Induced Audience Apathy is real, and I feel like a Rose story falls square in that. Someone unlikable who doesn’t affect anything and keeps having bad things happen to her is just depressing and boring. Sith Lords releasing an ancient evil and having to deal with it creates several storytelling avenues, but Rose’s entire story feels oppressive. That to me is the difference between ESB and TLJ. Hope admist that tragedy.

Snarky Adventurer Archeologist? Lucas has done it. That actually sounds fun though.

Edited by Beatman1 on Feb 19th 2019 at 2:42:50 PM

What I'd like is a Hardboiled Detective story set on Tattooine, with some small-fry rogue taking whatever odd and dangerous jobs they can get, barely earning enough to pay off their bar tab at Mos Eisley. Basically, Magnum, P.I. In Space.