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Darthwyn Grail Army from The void Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
Grail Army
Oct 7th 2018 at 6:03:57 PM

Ah yes Naruto that was a good old fashioned mess in regards to the relationships.

When a simple snowball fight turns into a war.
slimcoder I'm No One Special. Just a Passing Pro Wrestler.
I'm No One Special. Just a Passing Pro Wrestler.
Oct 7th 2018 at 7:02:23 PM

BTW the new show Star Wars: Resistance is premiering right now.

theLibrarian That all you got? from his own little world
That all you got?
Oct 7th 2018 at 9:16:05 PM

Oh wow? I thought it was still a ways away.

That is the face of a man who just ate a kitten. Raw.
TheAirman from Congratulations! Relationship Status: Gay for Big Boss
Oct 7th 2018 at 9:16:48 PM

Nope, premiered tonight and the first 3 episodes are on Disney Now for US people.

PSN ID: FateSeraph Congratulations!
theLibrarian That all you got? from his own little world
That all you got?
Oct 8th 2018 at 2:22:29 PM That is the face of a man who just ate a kitten. Raw.
RJ-19-CLOVIS-93 from New Zealand
Oct 8th 2018 at 3:18:54 PM

Are we still sure Sonic the Hedgehog isn't the most Broken Base?

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HamburgerTime Glimmer of civilization. from The Former Republic of Zubrowka Relationship Status: I know
Glimmer of civilization.
Oct 8th 2018 at 4:20:34 PM

I've heard that Sonic and Pokemon in their primes had more toxic fanbases than virtually anything except maybe Harry Potter, but having not been involved with them at the time I can't say for sure.

I know the Potter finale meltdown involved at least one real-life death, so it'd be pretty hard to top that, unless of course the horrible event occurs the alt-right SW "fans" actually manage to make good on their threats against the actors...

Edited by HamburgerTime on Oct 8th 2018 at 6:36:09 AM

BE SURE TO DRINK YOUR OVALTINE
Oct 8th 2018 at 7:43:07 PM

Every fanbase has a toxic element. It's inevitable when you have a big group with different ideas and perspectives. Not just in pop culture, but also in sports culture as well.

The bigger the fanbase, the more likely you'll find this kind of toxicity.

Zanthype from The Tardis Relationship Status: Dating the Doctor
Oct 8th 2018 at 8:28:04 PM

I'm so sad that we didn't get Undercover Kylo Part 2 this past week when Adam returned to host SNL again.

"My buddy saw Kylo Ren in the shower. He said that Kylo Ren had an 8-Pack. That he was shredded." SNL predicted Ben Swolo [lol]

In 900 years of time and space, I've never met anyone who wasn't important
VeryMelon SUPER SOMETHING ELSE from United States Relationship Status: In Spades with myself
SUPER SOMETHING ELSE
Oct 8th 2018 at 9:22:07 PM

That was fun. Adam Driver is most certainly not my problem with Ren.

Mr. McMahon reacts to Marvel's Phase 3 line-up
Oct 8th 2018 at 10:53:57 PM

His performance is quite good. In fact the acting in the ST is pretty solid across the board, that's not the problem with it for me. The writing, characterizations, and philosophy behind it, now that's where the issues truly lie imo.

Oct 10th 2018 at 3:46:10 PM

Honestly, I hadn't seen Driver in anything else until I saw Black K Klansman. He is exceptional in the film playing an undercover cop infiltrating the KKK, I would say well overshadowing the intended main character.

My main problem with the characters and acting in the sequels is that they are broadly defined and don't really capitalize on the intended character types, as a result the actors performances change scene by scene. The plot is shoving the characters forward and no one seems to have agency of their own.

Finn is the most frustrating, because he is introduced as a trained soldier but acts like a career janitor. That's made into a joke, BUT HE NEVER ACTS LIKE A TRAINED SOLDIER. He flip flops between being a Dirty Coward just trying to survive and a Defector from Decadence finding a new purpose. The mission to Canto Bight would have been a perfect place for him to try and finally disappear, but nope, we get a Free the Frogs story. We never see him genuinely make a choice to join the Resistance, as a result his victorious "Rebel Scum" line falls flat.

Edited by KJMackley on Oct 10th 2018 at 3:49:54 AM

Oct 10th 2018 at 4:10:49 PM

[up]All the worse because in Before the Awakening Fin is established as one of the best Stormtroopers in the First Order; and is sufficiently talented to have been singled out by Phasma-as a potential problem trooper, whose skills warrant a salvaging effort rather than just killing him for failing to get with the program.

theLibrarian That all you got? from his own little world
That all you got?
Oct 10th 2018 at 4:29:49 PM

Well he's a crack shot as we've seen and has proven quite capable in fights. I'd say we get to see him put his soldier training to good use. The reason he acted like a Dirty Coward in the first movie was because he wanted to get away from the First Order cuz he was afraid of being caught. He's not like that now.

Edited by theLibrarian on Oct 10th 2018 at 6:32:36 AM

That is the face of a man who just ate a kitten. Raw.
Tuckerscreator Every film should end with a Deus T. rex Machina from High Charity, the Prophet's Holy City Relationship Status: Drift compatible
Every film should end with a Deus T. rex Machina
Oct 10th 2018 at 4:57:47 PM

We never see him genuinely make a choice to join the Resistance, as a result his victorious "Rebel Scum" line falls flat.

That line was the choice to join the Resistance.

While I agree that his characterization in TFA flipped back and forth, his demeanor in TLJ is much more easy to track. At the climax of TFA his priority in accessing Starkiller Base was not to destroy it for the Resistance, but to rescue Rey. At the start of TLJ, his top concern is still Rey and he is ready to abandon the Resistance to be shot down if it means Rey returns somewhere safer. Witnessing the injustices at Canto Bight starts to warm him up to the idea of striking back at the enemy. Then DJ brings out Finn’s moral side, as the crook equates the First Order and Resistance as equally bad, something a former FO slave like Finn cannot stand. DJ’s betrayal provides the next push for Finn to be infuriated and thus fight against the FO as a cause in and of itself. Though next we see even that is not (should not) be the end of his maturing.

You can criticize the execution, but the connecting plot structure skeleton is all there, from A to B to C. It is a relief of a character arc to be this cohesively connected, after too many blockbusters where a character’s growth arc is so underwritten that the steps in between are too vague to be tracked.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Oct 10th 2018 at 4:58:34 AM

"If your good mood was ruined because you got into an accident with a car..."
TheDeadMansLife Lover of masks.
Lover of masks.
Oct 10th 2018 at 5:36:04 PM

Ignoring whether Finn’s characters works or not for a second, but this seems opportune. Something that’s bugged me about Canto Bight for a while now and I haven’t really seen anyone bring up is “why would the child slaves on Canto Bight care about the Resistance”? I only watch the movies and play a few of the games so my grasp of the full lore is missing some things, but from what I understand is that either Canto Bight’s planet was part of the Republic or they were part of the Outer Rim. I don’t really get why they would care, the Resistance and First Order would be barely be a blip on their radar.

Please.
alliterator professional crastinator from Southern California
professional crastinator
Oct 10th 2018 at 6:25:29 PM

[up] Because stories of the Resistance and the good that they've done have spread. Even though Canto Bight isn't nominally part of the conflict, it's still part of it. It's like asking "Why would anyone in Casablanca have heard of the Allies?"

"What, you think I won't fight a dinosaur? Are you crazy? All I want to do is fight dinosaurs." — Squirrel Girl
Tuckerscreator Every film should end with a Deus T. rex Machina from High Charity, the Prophet's Holy City Relationship Status: Drift compatible
Every film should end with a Deus T. rex Machina
Oct 10th 2018 at 6:30:16 PM

In the first Star Wars movie we saw word of the Rebellion reaching an out-in-nowhere desert planet called Tatooine (Well, before it got accidentally really central in the series. tongue)

"If your good mood was ruined because you got into an accident with a car..."
HamburgerTime Glimmer of civilization. from The Former Republic of Zubrowka Relationship Status: I know
Glimmer of civilization.
Oct 10th 2018 at 6:32:41 PM

Tatooine must've had at least some unpleasant experiences under the Empire, given that it's one of the worlds shown rejoicing at Palpatine's death.

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Oct 10th 2018 at 6:47:01 PM

[up]They got the worst of both worlds-officially rules by the Hutts, who rarely cared about other crime syndicates preying on the populace unless it cut into their profits. They also enjoyed a permanent Imperial garrison, who were functionally allied with the major crime syndicates; in addition to doing nothing to stop them, the Imperials spent most of their time pointlessly brutalizing and killing civilians, since their presence was a show of force and honestly there was nothing else to do on Tatooine.

Edited by ViperMagnum357 on Oct 10th 2018 at 9:47:21 AM

CrimsonZephyr Would that it were so simple. from Massachusetts Relationship Status: It's complicated
Would that it were so simple.
Oct 10th 2018 at 6:58:40 PM

"Why would anyone in Casablanca have heard of the Allies?"

Not a good example. Casablanca was a French colony and loaded with Former Regime Personnel. It would be more like someone in Polynesia following the European war.

"For all those whose cares have been our concern, the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die."
alliterator professional crastinator from Southern California
professional crastinator
Oct 10th 2018 at 7:00:15 PM

Not a good example. Casablanca was a French colony and loaded with Former Regime Personnel.
And Canto Bight was filled with the people supplying weapons to the First Order. I stand by my metaphor.

"What, you think I won't fight a dinosaur? Are you crazy? All I want to do is fight dinosaurs." — Squirrel Girl
TheDeadMansLife Lover of masks.
Lover of masks.
Oct 10th 2018 at 7:00:51 PM

The allies landed and invaded through Casablanca. Casablanca was the home of an American airbase and Morocco was the home of several battles. The movie’s backdrop is WW 2. More equivalant would be a plantin picker in Venezuela hearing someone go “I am part of the Russian Federation” in 1942.

Please.
alliterator professional crastinator from Southern California
professional crastinator
Oct 10th 2018 at 7:09:46 PM

Once again: It's already been revealed that the people who live there sell weaponry and ships to the First Order, so why wouldn't the people there have heard of the Resistance? This isn't someplace that hasn't been touched by the war — it's just a place that has profited from the war and the slaves who work there know it.

"What, you think I won't fight a dinosaur? Are you crazy? All I want to do is fight dinosaurs." — Squirrel Girl
RavenWilder Raven Wilder
Raven Wilder
Oct 10th 2018 at 9:31:25 PM

But, presumably, all the sucky conditions on Canto Blight were in place before the rise of the First Order. So the people there aren't suffering under the First Order; they were suffering under the New Republic that the Resistance is trying to protect/restore.

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