The Islamophobia Thread

https://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/world/2020/10/685_298070.html

Been a stabbing incident on two French Muslim women by two non-Muslim women near the Eiffel Tower.

What a disgusting hate crime.

It would be nice if France would grapple with their systemic racism, for those knowledgeable, is there any major movement/political force trying that? Something similar to BLM and its sympathetic politicians in the US?

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Oct 23rd 2020 at 11:00:01 AM

Don't think so, no. The french public is far too scared for that currently due to the islamic terrorist attacks.

I can't say I'm surprised, religious fundamentalism and bigoted reaction, name a more iconic duo :/

This has always been the biggest tragedy of terrorism - it works. People are stupid enough to give these monsters exactly what they want - fear and divison. Every fucking time.

Edited by Forenperser on Oct 23rd 2020 at 10:18:35 AM

I know exactly what you mean, I remember horror stories from 9/11. Thankfully my Mother (who was wearing a Hijab at the time) was left alone, almost certainly because she is white.

People are so desperate to let terrorism justify their prejudices.

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Oct 23rd 2020 at 1:14:53 AM

People have been comparing the internet responses for that news as well as that news about a professor being decapitated by a muslim student for showing art caricatures of the prophet in class. You should have seen the responses for the latter news. I can't recall how many times I see commenters stating that every Muslim should condemn this act and that muslims are barbaric and/or backwards and should be rid of. Man, the tension is bloody high.

There was BLM protests in Paris IIRC againt the Police Nationale's use of chokeholds. It's overturned due to protest from PN unions(?) that they're necessary to arrest/detain suspects.

Yeah, the spread of the BLM movement overseas, to countries where the African population isn't as large nor treated with the same degree of discrimination as in the US, has been an interesting and somewhat unexpected outcome.

Well, there was that whole civil war thing in the '50s that killed a few hundred thousand African Muslim French residents.

Edited by eagleoftheninth on Oct 24th 2020 at 8:51:21 AM

Weeeeeeeeellllll... I meeeeaaaan...

Us European countries love to tell ourselves that we're so much more enlightened when it comes to race than those damn Americans, but the reality is that when we all collectively ended slavery, the now liberated slaves were all safely tucked away in our colonies, not mixing or interacting much with our white population back home. We didn't get very (openly) racist, because we simply didn't interact with our former property all that much.

But you should see how fucking systemically racist the average Dutch rural municipality gets when people from the former Dutch Antilles (who are by and large black descendants of former slaves) decide to take advantage of their Dutch citizenship and move here.

It's not pretty. They're fellow Dutch citizens. They get treated significantly worse than white immigrants.

Edit: Actually let me give a concrete example

For a while Dutch Antillians were the only Dutch citizens who had to take part of the Dutch Citizenship test when they move to the Netherlands proper. Specifically part of that was a language test.

Seems fine, right? You want people to be able to speak the local language. Except that Dutch Antillians already speak Dutch. They just speak a colonial dialect of Dutch that has a lot of Native and Spanish loanwords. The language test was specifically designed to be much easier for someone learning the language from scratch than for someone who already spoke Antillian Dutch and had to learn the differences.

Except, due to the nature of some of the multiple choice questions (Lots of gotcha questions using those Spanish loanwords) for native Spanish speakers, which is how that bias was discovered. People noticed that white native Spanish speakers had much higher failure rates than everyone else... Except Dutch Antillians. Previously the explanation for why so many Dutch Antillians failed the test was "Well they're black from a region with poor education, what did you expect?"

Edited by Robrecht on Oct 25th 2020 at 9:13:21 AM

Paris and Istanbul are having a word war since Erdogan is pissed and says Macron that he needs a mental check.

The ambassador's recalled after Macron mentioned that freedom of expression will not surrender to Islamist threats.

I’m surprised to not see more discourse on what’s happening in France after the teacher’s murder

Really? It feels like its been talked about everywhere. Its not like it was particularly buried.

Yep, here in the UK it's been plastered all over the news. Incident and responses and all.

I should have clarified on this site.

ah, gotcha.

What's with the article putting the word racist in quotation marks?

I don't see it.

Probably a liability thing ("we aren't saying it's racist, just that people are saying it's racist"). Same as how they have to append "alleged" to charges until someone's convicted.

"Yeah, it's probably a hate crime, but it hasn't actually been confirmed to be a hate crime by the authorities yet."

It's just like being mandated to say 'Alleged perpetrator'.

Well, French-made goods in the Arab world are under a boycott now due to Macron's speech.

Didn't read/watch the speech (I'm somehow less informed about what happens in France than in the US), but wasn't said speech in response to someone being murdered over the caricatures? Because if so, such a boycott could be construed as endorsing the murderer. Religion of peace indeed.

Edited by Medinoc on Oct 26th 2020 at 1:41:17 PM