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Deadlock Clock: Mar 26th 2015 at 11:59:00 PM
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#1: Nov 19th 2014 at 9:23:59 PM

This article seems to be about a series that alternates between Growing the Beard and Seasonal Rot in an obvious pattern. While such things are fascinating, they don't seem to be particularly common, and there is plenty of overlap with the two aforementioned tropes. Furthermore, if it is tropeworthy, it should definitely be YMMV, as it's based on Audience Reactions. What should be done?

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Willbyr Hi (Y2K) Relationship Status: With my statistically significant other
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#2: Nov 20th 2014 at 4:03:08 AM

The description needs to be rewritten to make it more generalized, citing the Trek movies as the basis for that line of thinking, and I agree that it should be an Audience Reaction trope. A different title would help, too...maybe Inconsistent Installment Quality or something along those lines.

On the wiki side of things: 32 wicks, but over 1,200 inbounds...it's definitely getting notice, but it still has problems.

edited 20th Nov '14 4:05:14 AM by Willbyr

Catbert Since: Jan, 2012
#3: Nov 20th 2014 at 7:23:02 AM

I agree that this should be YMMV and the description should be rewritten in the manner suggested.

I would suggest keeping the name because it seems to attract a lot of inbounds.

hbi2k Since: Jan, 2001
#4: Nov 20th 2014 at 8:12:29 AM

^^ Inconsistent Installment Quality is REALLY vague. Just about any franchise with more than one installment can be called that. This trope is at least ostensibly about franchises in which there's some sort of pattern to which ones are good and which ones are bad, usually one that seems arbitrary (as opposed to "only the comics written by the original creator of the character are any good," etc.).

The description could definitely be rewritten to be more specific, and this should definitely be an Audience Reaction / YMMV trope.

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#5: Nov 20th 2014 at 9:43:58 AM

How's this as a rewrite?

As a series or franchise goes on and the number of sequels and side works/Spinoffs/etc. increases, it's all but certain that the audience will not find them to all be of uniform quality. However, there are a number of works that show this in one particular way: audiences will generally find that the quality bounces back and forth in a numerically ordered fashion. Typically, this will show up as either the even- or odd-numbered sequels being better than the opposite, although other variants exist.

The Trope Codifier is the Star Trek movies, which have had a long-standing reputation of "the even-numbered movies are a lot better than the odd-numbered ones".

The example section can elaborate on the Trek movies.

edited 20th Nov '14 9:45:08 AM by Willbyr

hbi2k Since: Jan, 2001
#6: Nov 20th 2014 at 12:33:50 PM

^ Waaaaay better than what we've got now. I like it.

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#7: Nov 20th 2014 at 3:32:50 PM

I approve of the proposed new description.

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#8: Nov 21st 2014 at 7:44:45 AM

Yes, the new one is much better! The old description was way too Trek-specific. I think the current name is just fine, and I agree with previous posters that it should be YMMV.

edited 21st Nov '14 7:45:25 AM by GnomeTitan

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#9: Nov 24th 2014 at 2:52:27 PM

Can we just put the Star Trek example in as a Useful Notes page?

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Zyffyr from Portland, Oregon Since: Apr, 2010 Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
#10: Nov 24th 2014 at 3:29:24 PM

Why would we need a Useful Notes page? All the relevant information can quite easily go in an example.

Willbyr Hi (Y2K) Relationship Status: With my statistically significant other
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#11: Nov 24th 2014 at 6:56:59 PM

There's no need at all to move the Trek example to a UN page; the page example simply needs to be beefed up a little bit.

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#12: Dec 25th 2014 at 1:58:11 AM

Clock is set.

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Willbyr Hi (Y2K) Relationship Status: With my statistically significant other
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#13: Dec 26th 2014 at 8:17:20 PM

Anyone else for/against my suggested rewrite of the description?

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#14: Dec 27th 2014 at 5:01:59 AM

That description seems fine for me.

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#15: Jan 22nd 2015 at 9:11:55 AM

Any additional work needed?

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#16: Jan 22nd 2015 at 9:38:55 AM

Additional work? Yes. The description needs to be actually changed. It's still the old one, all about Star Trek.

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#17: Feb 22nd 2015 at 3:53:08 AM

Re-clocking. The description was changed; anything else to do?

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Willbyr Hi (Y2K) Relationship Status: With my statistically significant other
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#18: Feb 22nd 2015 at 8:37:49 AM

I've arranged the examples by media; there still needs to be some namespacing work done in the examples.

Linhasxoc Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: With my statistically significant other
#19: Feb 22nd 2015 at 10:30:04 AM

I think it still needs to be moved to YMMV, and probably could use a new title as well.

Willbyr Hi (Y2K) Relationship Status: With my statistically significant other
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#20: Feb 22nd 2015 at 3:45:01 PM

I agree that this should be a YMMV trope.

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#21: Feb 23rd 2015 at 4:34:47 AM

YMMV is probably a good idea, yes.

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#22: Mar 23rd 2015 at 2:01:16 AM

Extended clock for the YMMV-or-no discussion.

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#23: Mar 23rd 2015 at 4:27:17 AM

I'ts definitely an audience reaction - it seems unlikely that the creators actually intend to alternate between good and bad installments smile - which means it should be YMMV.

Linhasxoc Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: With my statistically significant other
#24: Mar 23rd 2015 at 4:47:15 AM

There doesn't seem to be any disagreement on the move to YMMV; can someone just change the page type then? Or do we need to hook a crowner?

Memers Since: Aug, 2013
#25: Mar 23rd 2015 at 5:00:45 AM

There is no way this is not YMMV.

I for one completely disagree with the Gundam entry for example and many cases so does Japan but others do not.

edited 23rd Mar '15 5:03:27 AM by Memers


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