My Hero Academia

See that's exactly the point I always argue. That the Stain arc narration was on point and not even an exception or whatever. What Midoriya said was "I should have tried harder to get through. I will come to regret this day later on." Which perfectly fits what happened and how Midoriya felt. What happened to Iida was already bad enough for Midoriya to think "Could I have stopped this from happening if I talked to him back then?"

Edited by heejung on Feb 24th 2020 at 9:28:59 PM

There ISN'T a rule so far. We've got at least two examples of inaccurate narration, and I don't remember a trend of other narrations he's made that have been accurate.

Nah that doesn't make sense in the aftermath. If he stopped Iida than Native would be dead and Stain may not have been caught. For Deku to regret what happened so strongly just does not line up with his attitude at the end of the arc.

Edited by Saiga on Feb 24th 2020 at 10:31:05 PM

Thus why Narrator Deku is bias.

Every accusation by the GOP is ALWAYS a confession.

We are the audience so we can sit back outside in real world and say that the result of Stain arc was net positive. But from Midoriya's perspective him not talking to Iida led to: Iida getting almost killed as he watched (twice), him acting so out of character to the point he'll refuse help even when he's completely vulnerable, and then he regrets all this immensely and feels very critical about whether he deserves to be a hero, and gets long-term damage from the injury. This whole experience was a mess and Midoriya did suspect that Iida was bottling things up, so of course he would regret not getting Iida to talk earlier.

Say, try putting yourself in Midoriya's position. Would you not regret pushing Iida harder at the station? I definitely would regret letting my friend go on a vengeance-driven rampage of vigilante justice that almost got him killed. And we know Midoriya does because after Iida's apology he also apologizes for "not realizing". (He knew Iida had a problem. Iida knew Midoriya knew that he had a problem. What he's apologizing here is not realizing how bad it was, implying that if he knew he would've intervened before things got this far.)

Edited by heejung on Feb 24th 2020 at 9:55:46 PM

I understand finding the result lacking as the audience, but the narration absolutely makes sense from the point of the character.

You can criticize the former without saying the latter is illogical or out of character.

I agree with all of this, but I can also get why people think it's a cop out.

From our perspective, things worked out pretty well in spite of things.

From Midoriya's perspective, a friend nearly died because he didn't ask enough question.

....but he is a deceptive narrator. Maybe that wasn't the intention, but it can be seen that way. You have to be both willing to look at it from his point of view and willing to accept the logic in that point of view to not call bullshit.

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And "other narrations that have been correct" huh. We pretty much believe the narrations as truth most of the time because they closely follow what's happening on the page. What are some examples of him narrating something not happening right there...

Maybe when Midoriya narrates Bakugo and his relationship from the childhood around the first combat exercise? What Deku says pretty much meshes perfectly with Bakugo's memories too. (Some people take issue with the descriptor "childhood friends" and say this also shows Deku's bias, but the word he uses there is "osananajimi" which technically means "acquaintance from childhood". Osananajimi does have friendly connotation because kids who hang together usually become friends, but the word only implies long history and not necessarily friendship. No Japanese speaker will deny that Deku and Bakugo are osananajimi.)

If we're looking for a narration that hints at future events and gets it right, there's one after USJ incident, where he went "this incident was only a prologue to a much bigger incident that will shake the society" or something like that. It refers to Kamino, and once we actually get to Kamino Deku lampshades it by saying "Do you remember me saying that after USJ? Yeah this is it."

But lets be fair: Deku's narration being seen as deceptive may not be a false assumption.

Lets all remember his long apprenticeship with Sir Nighteye for instance.

One Strip! One Strip!

Ehehehe shirt they nailed this scene in the anime.

And here’s Endeavor doing the same face.

https://danbooru.donmai.us/posts/3785997

Edited by slimcoder on Feb 24th 2020 at 5:39:21 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."

Yeah I acknowledge that that one was definitely wrong. But the way it is wrong feels so... insignificant to me. It doesn't feel like the kind of wrong one actually tries to lie or mislead about, it feels more like 'oops did I say long? sorry that was a brainfart' kind of wrong.

So it just strikes me as a case of Horikoshi not being careful with what he puts in there. Like he wanted to put in the narration there for dramatic effect and he slipped up because having a descriptor before "internship" sounds cool and he didn't think through enough to realize that he can't use "long" there.

Fate changing could have worked, given all that happened in there.

Wake me up at your own risk.

I can’t believe narrator Deku is from the stay Night timeline

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Good lord this is beautiful. It's official, Kyoka is tied with Mina now for my fav girl. I almost shed a tear.

Side note, but I think Aoyama would have less of an Uncanny Valley if he was drawn with his upper teeth showing like the others. He actually looks more normal when singing.

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Narrator Deku is overdramatic but not a liar.

Tell that to Nighteye and the long internship.

I'll agree with everything said about the Kamino incident, but there's no getting around the Nighteye narration.

Either that, or he's delusional.

One Strip! One Strip!

Or just felt like an eternity and can't believe it was so short looking back.

Wake me up at your own risk.

One exception does not make a rule.

I mean, I feel like Future Deku is more of a shitty narrator than an unreliable one, if that makes sense?

Like I don't think it's supposed to be intentionally misleading, I think it's just clumsy foreshadowing that doesn't always pay off properly because sometimes the author's plans for how an arc is going to play out get altered.

x4 Future!Deku having an imperfect memory of events, maybe, especially if he's narrating years after the events take place? That's the most Watsonian explanation I can think of. The Doylist explanation of "Horikoshi just didn't have the full details planned out at the time" is boring, but probably the most accurate. Idk.

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Huh...I didn't know that. I always thought it was kinda strange that Izuku referred to he and Bakugo as friends despite the fact that he was just kind of an admiring lackey until Bakugo started bullying him. I always chalked it up to Izuku's desperation for interaction or friendship in an environment where everyone looked down upon and treated him like garbage. But seeing that it doesn't explicitly mean friendship makes a lot more sense.

Some people call Izuku's admiration/amazement with Bakugo Stockholm Syndrome or something similar, but I think it's more demonstrative of Izuku's incredibly low sense of self-worth and self-esteem, plus his envy of Bakugo's confidence. He's been frustrated by his own meekness and timidity before, and after he sheds some of his fear after their second fight, he starts standing up to Bakugo more anyway. Plus, the boy doesn't have a grudge-holding bone in his body.

Adventurers: homeless people who steal from tombs and kill things.

Considering he's said multiple times there are things about Bakugo he hates, that wouldn't make sense anyway. Being able to see a person's strengths is not the same thing as being blind to, or making excuses for their faults.

They were childhood friends though. They hung out together, had their little club, admired All Might together. Nothing in any of those memories suggests he was a "lackey", only that he followed Bakugo. And he did that because Bakugo was confident and he was not.

It's not until later that this gets worse, but the implication is that this was more of a process. And there's a giant gaping hole in our knowledge from around the age 5-6 (first friction between them is seen) to age 14 (chapter 1). That they were childhood friends is common knowledge, suggesting they hung out for much longer than preschool.

Edited by devak on Feb 24th 2020 at 7:53:44 PM

It's not just Deku's narration that's overdramatic.

Spinner said at the beginning of the villain arc something along the lines of 'this was the end of the League of Villains' and that turned out to be just a rebranding.

It's a superhero story. Being overly dramatic and hammy is practically required.

Just be glad this isn't a Jojo story where everyone is contractually obligated to make poses.

Edited by M84 on Feb 25th 2020 at 3:17:13 AM

Disgusted, but not surprised

It wasn't just rebranding though. They merged with the MLA. Which is a pretty big deal.

Yeah but the way it sounded was like they were gonna get wiped out or something like that, and that's how many people took it.

Like, that obviously wasn't going to happen just like Ida was never going to die or whatever in the Stain arc, but the wording was definitely misleading for the sake of implying worse consequences than there actually were.