My Hero Academia

its one of those issues that's evergreen, really.

mirio is still quirkless though, despite the heroes having Eri and the serum existing. For all intents and purposes it's permanent. The existence of the serum doesn't really take that away. If it were an easily available commodity then perhaps, but it's not. And Eris existence is a potential way back even without the serum, but it's a highly uncertain thing.

All in all, it seems to me that the serums role in all this is small, unless we get some major developments in that front soon. Getting hit with the bullets remains about as devastating as if AFO took it.

I feel like we're approaching this from entirely different angles. I'm talking about from a meta-perspective that it makes no sense to even have the serum exists if it's never going to be relevant. From that perspective, regardless of how the heroes become aware of it or try to obtain it, acting as if the unlikeness of those things means they won't happen makes no sense to me. And that's not even saying they definitely will get it, but I can't see that not being a major plot point, even apart from the Mirio situation.

And, yes, obviously if nothing is done about it, it's permanent. My point is that the serum existing means it's very unlikely Horikoshi will actually have it be permanent because, again, there's no point to go out of his way to make it be a thing if it's not going to come up. Does that clear up my position? I hope so, even if you don't agree with it, because, and I don't mean this rudely, but your position doesn't make much sense to me from a writing perspective at all.

This is reminding me of the Dabi=Toya likelihood conversation all over again...

Edited by LSBK on Jan 27th 2020 at 3:04:08 AM

Speaking of the PLF's plan, I feel getting it in so much detail means that's not how things are gonna go down.

Well, in regards to the antidote for the "Anti-Quirk Serum", the Pro-heroes might not have the finished product, but they do have its creator available and even if Shigaraki took out the man's quirk, he didn't silence him, meaning that the pro-heroes can make Overhaul explain how the antidote function and work in verbal detail, in order to try and find an alternate way to replicate its effects once the AQ-Bullets hails upon the heroe-...

(Deep sigh)

That's what going to happen during this ongoing raid on the hospital, isn't it?

The heroes goes in...

...and gets a hail of AQ-Bullets aimed at them in return, effectively de-powering them all so the High-Ends can massacre them like ants when they're powerless.

How high is this possibility?

That said, the pro-hero side at least got Chisaki's knowledge about the serum and the AQ-bullets, so they're not completely in the dark about this matter.

...

And in regards to Hawks.

What if he doesn't end up "losing" his quirk but face the opposite of the spectrum instead?

What if he ends up forcibly overdosed on quirk-stimulants (Trigger) and loses control over it instead? (While also transforming into a feathered mutant in the process from the overdose) and essentially transformed into a living "hand-grenade" tossed in front of the heroes who ends up attacking him due to no longer recognizing him (as a undercover-agent, that is) as a "hero" when seeing him on the side of the villains.

What if he "becomes" his quirk instead?

Edited by TitanJump on Jan 27th 2020 at 1:40:43 PM

The quirk restoration bullets were back when the thing was a money making racket. Might have gone out the window once Overhaul got into the whole "eradicate quirks" crusade.

If I might randomly but in

Do Quirks "adapt?" Like, if you can only use your Quirk a certain way but that method is fucked up, can the Quirk be trained to be used another way?

I'm thinking of Overhaul losing his arms. Could his Quirk be trained to be used via another body part?

Somebody on Reddit said we have seen Quirks "adapt" but I don't recall anything like that and they didn't give any examples.

I'm surprised Gran Torino hasn't died already, to be honest. He ran into Gigantomachia after all.

I think the only example we've seen of that was Toga realizing she could use the quirk of whoever she transforms into. But I don't think it was ever clarified whether that was a new power or she simply never knew she could do it.

Hagakure having some light manipulation powers might count too.

Hagakure's quirk is still the one thing that always confuses me. Especially since by Word of God, if Toga ingested her blood and turned into Hagakure, she wouldn't turn invisible like Hagakure. Except said invisibility is supposed to be a mutation and part of Hagakure's appearance, so again I ask "What the hell?!" in regards to the enigma that is Hagakure.

What if Hagakure's pigmentation (and her family's by default) is "Ultraviolet" through genetics?

(In short, completely invisible to humans, who lacks the fourth cone in the eye to register such light in the first place) and her quirk essentially protects everyone around her from the more harmful effects of UV-radiation by force-fields?

Would Toga be able to transform into someone with Mutant-genetics but in possession of a "Emitter" or "transformation" type quirk in the first place?

Wait, I actually forgot that Re-Destro straight-up explained that quirks sometimes evolve and even used Geten's ability to control the temperature of ice as an example.

Something that only reflected ultraviolet light wouldn't be invisible. It'd just look black.

I'm just brainstorming here...

...what if her "invisibility" isn't something that she is doing but a consequence of the spectator's senses when looking at her?

Like... What if she's actually fully visible, but in such a matter that our brains simply can't begin to comprehend and at the mercy from engaging a full on brain-break, it just censors her all together instead, sparing us all from the need to understand what it's looking at.

Aka "Is Hagakure "invisible" due to our brains rage-quitting in their failed attempts to translate the sight of her into comprehensible, familiar, data?"

Ideas like that.

In all seriousness, Hagakure's quirk is the only one in Class 1-A we know practically nothing about in terms of how it works. Everyone else we have a general idea at the very least if not given narration moments or info boxes. But the most we have on hers is just guess work based on what we've seen her do. But even then what little we do figure out gets contradicted by later details, like the fact Toga's body doesn't turn invisible if she ingests Hagakure's blood despite it being a mutation, or that Hagakure can actually physically bend light with her hands which is a product of refraction, except refraction isn't a product of invisibility its a product of transparency and as Mirio and Momo demonstrate Horikoshi does try to adhere to some levels of science and textbook definitions in regards to his quirks so it doesn't make sense why Hagakure's quirk seems so inconsistent in regards to- Oh no, I've gone cross-eyed.

Edited by RebelFalcon on Jan 27th 2020 at 12:16:01 PM

It doesn't help that we have never seen her injured either (as in, if she get wounded, would her blood still be red or impossible to see as well?) Making the option of her "invisibility" either skin-deep or all the way through, blurry on top of that.

Can the Hagakure we've been "seeing" all this time... actually be a quirk-produced Tulpa?...

(Basically, it's a subject within mysticism that's basically a thought-projection of a object or a person using mental powers)

...and her actual body being somewhere else? (perhaps even in a coma in her room or something...)

In a world of quirks, this certainly isn't a impossibility.

LSBK: "I'm talking about from a meta-perspective that it makes no sense to even have the serum exists if it's never going to be relevant."

The serum might be used at one point on a few heroes. That doesn't change that until that point, the hero is quirkless, and will remain so unless he receives the serum. On top of that, the heroes desperately need the power of e.g. Endeavor and Hawks. Dequirking them reduces the ability to obtain the serum.

So it's still a terrifying, potentially permanent state for a hero to be in. Even if in the further future the serum is used, it's still possible and likely that the bullets will be used at critical moments to gain an advantage, and in such a moment the existence of a serum will matter little.

RE:Toga and Hagakure. remember that his comments came before Toga realized she could use quirks. Meaning, if she turned into hagakure, she couldn't have used her quirk to turn invisible according to our knowledge at the time. After all, Hagakure's appearance is not actually that she's invisible, it just appears she naturally bends light around her in some fashion.

Edited by devak on Jan 27th 2020 at 9:12:33 PM

When in the world did Toga drink Toru's blood?

Anyway, while I'm sure were going to get a look at several groups because this is a huge operation, we can probably take the last page as the "main" group as a given. With that, it's super surprising Koda and Manga are there. All the others not so much but those two? Which isn't a complaint because I welcome seeing more of both of them but still, surprising to say the least.

SDCC 2018, Horikoshi was asked what would happen if Toga drank Hagakure's blood, he gave the Word of God that if Toga were to drink Hagakure's blood, Toga wouldn't turn invisible.

Interesting. Do you have a link to that?

I've been trying to find the link for awhile now. I remember first finding it on the subreddit and it linked to a twitter post detailing the full interview at SDCC, but it would seem the post on subreddit has been deleted. And since I'm having no luck finding it, I'm at a loss.

Was that before or after the reveal that she can emulate quirks along with appearances?

Before. It was before the MLA arc.

Toga really couldn't use the quirk of the person she copied prior to MLA arc, probably. She is all about "becoming the person" and all that, there's no way she didn't try using the quirk of her transformation. Not being able to replicate the quirk really limits her quirk's effectiveness even when she's using it purely for infiltration and subterfuge, so it doesn't make sense that this is something she could always do and just didn't try. So her quirk did evolve during MLA arc, though I'm not sure to what extent. They never touched upon that change ever since that one time she used Zero G against Curious after all. Can she use the quirk with anybody she transforms into? Does it require Toga to feel certain level of personal connection with the person? Does it deplete the blood supply faster?

And the utter lack of explanation for Hagakure's quirk is part of what makes me suspect that Hagakure is the mole. I believe we've never had official boxed description of what exactly her quirk is.

We haven't. And only two other characters in 1-A haven't had that: Sato and Koda. Sato however received narration and his was explained in a Data Book, and Koda's was explained via his Final Exam with Jiro, as well as in a Data Book too. Hagakure however... yeah, we have barely anything on it. No narration, no Quirk Analysis boxes, not even much in the Data Book outside of a name for it. It's just so... odd. Add on that Horikoshi did say he wanted to give Hagakure a focus arc in the vein of Kirishima and Jiro, and she seems more important than you think.

Plus I still don't understand how she even passed the entrance exam. Seriously, even some of the more outlandish quirks in 1-A and 1-B you can find some way of rationalizing, but Hagakure? She's just invisible, and based on the training montage for the Sports Festival, wasn't strong before then either since she could barely do a pull up. Honestly, So This Is Basically... interpretation on it is the only thing I can think of outside of her hiding some hidden abilities, but that would require Nedzu being a moron.

If I remember right the official explanation was that she's also invisible to the robots, and was thus able to sneak up on them and mess with their wiring or something. How she managed to get through their armor to be able to do that is another question.