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Lobo at least has superpowers. DC Comics exaggerates human capabilities a bit too much. Clark and Diana already know to not underestimate humans.

@bookworm6390 First she played innocent lamb to get close to Wonder Woman and steal her lasso. Then Batman attacked her telling Superman not to bother cause they were in an old warehouse and he might bring it down on them. Harley easily wrapped Batman in the lasso and used its magic power to force him to tell her where he keeps Kryptonite. And then after she flashed Superman with it, IDK, she kinda jumped out the window and was gone, I guess?

Edited by Sunchet on Oct 19th 2021 at 9:00:48 PM

That just makes them look like idiots.

That’s from the maligned Heroes in Crisis comic so yeah it’s really bad, Harley is a real Creator’s Pet there.

She spends the entire trying to murder Booster Gold cause she thinks he kidnapped Poison Ivy and no one bats an eye to it and at the end when the League managed to talk down Wally West from committing suicide she then proceeds to kick him in the balls for hurting Ivy.

And like in D Ceased is also literally the only character who gets a full on happy ending in that book as while everyone else has to suffer the tragedy of losing a loved one, Harley gets to happily ride off with Ivy in the sunset.

It’s sad how Ivy is basically just a trophy for Harley now.

Edited by slimcoder on Oct 14th 2021 at 11:54:19 AM

It's the only way she is allowed to stay relevant. Despite Batman having the most beloved Rogues Gallery, everybody must take a step back for the clowns.

Kinda wish those clowns would accidentally be seriously incapacitated. Even if one has to invent a Kryptonian character that just wants to give the clown a hug.

It’s kinda worse in Harley’s case. Joker can somewhat at least get by being a criminal mastermind and master chemist through his mysterious past, as the shroud of mystery allows him to bullshit his skills.

Harley though has no mystery, we know exactly who she was and who she was was just a terrible psychiatrist. Like compared to other villains who at least have some innate skill or genius, Scarecrow can make his fear chemicals or Poison Ivy generally creates the stuff that would eventually empower her, Harley doesn’t necessarily have that.

When you get down to it she’s just this dense rube Joker one day decided to turn into his sidekick as part of a gaff.

Well, let's see, she's a great athlete. Yeah, not exactly Batman or Robin's level of skill but to be fair, plenty of times Two-Face or another thug can trade blows with Batman without years of martial art training and doing two hundred push-ups a day.

Plus, she has some super-human powers from Ivy's serum.

Often, she's retconned into being actually good at this psychiatry thing to make her Genius Ditz.

And from there it's your typical Deadpool/Batman villain excuse of insanity basically counting as superpower cause unpredictability and other stuff like that.

I always found the retcon that no she's actually a genius rather amusing since everything we know of Harley's backstory indicates that she actually is a bad psychiatrist.

Her most well known case had her breaking one of the biggest rules of a medical professional, don't fall in love with your patient, and combined with the fact that Arkham Asylum is regularly filled with all sorts of quacks and arrogant rubes who think they know everything just cause they have a doctorate degree, Harley can very much be either a quack or an arrogant fool like the rest of them.

Which does make up a good portion of Batman's rogues gallery. People with PHD's or certified geniuses of some manner all assuming their genius gives them the right to do whatever they want despite their capacity for savagery, violence, and =how despite their supposed genius they were for the most part fired from their jobs because they were bad at it.

Edited by slimcoder on Oct 14th 2021 at 12:58:27 PM

Are they going to make anymore pg-13 animated movies? I wish they'd make more Batman and Superman team up movies or shorts. There's plenty of material that could be adapted. Or a World's Finest show where the old comics are adapted.

They do still make PG-13 movies, but they've definitely become more willing to get into R rated territory.

You can't have a PHD in Gotham City without turning evil. It's the law.

@ "Is Harley a Scrappy?"

No. The only people I tend to see that actively hate her are, specifically, Injustice fans, and anything involving how the various Injustice hatedoms perceive those characters is... complicated.

Outisde of that, the worst you really get is people who think she's becoming overexposed and/or that the attempt at making her DC's Deadpool isn't working.

True. To be precise, comics Harley (and comics Harley specifically) is basically equivalent in powers to comics Captain America (keeping in mind that comics Cap is less powerful than MCU Cap): subject to a serum that instantly put her at peak human, and sustains her as such.

It's rare to see outside the comics - but getting a bit more common in modern adaptations - but people tend to forget that for ages Harley was portrayed as Joker's muscle.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Oct 14th 2021 at 5:07:27 AM

Plus some poison resistance.

Harley Quinn is more a Base-Breaking Character even in the Injustice fandom a lot of people like her in the series.

It's kinda the rule of comics in general. It's a matter of time until any sort of classically intellectual character becomes a ruthless, manipulative chessmaster.

Harley has a devoted fandom.

Like the Birds of Prey movie, reception to it is pretty mixed in general but it is beloved by Harley fans purely because its a movie that stars Harley as the star regardless of anything else about it.

Or apparently how some people didn't like that Harley was demoted to extra in Suicide Squad Hell to Pay as a minor comic relief.

Harley has reached that level of popularity where there is a group of people who will literally watch or buy anything just for her alone and like Batman and Joker, she is overexposed as fuck.

Edited by slimcoder on Oct 14th 2021 at 1:50:01 AM

Oh Bookworm if you're wondering why Good Kryptonians don't kill anyone unless it's on purpose.

Clark has complete control of his powers so can use them to respond with only the minimum needed not to kill someone but to incapacitate them. It's how he's say able to turn a door without it coming off his handles or he and Lois can actually sleep together without her getting hurt.

I do think Harley is overexposed, but I was surprised by how much I liked her in the Injustice comics. I think the constant discussion about how she should have tots been brutally killed and mutilated are a bit disturbing though.

I always found it a bit weird that Superman in the Injustice franchise didn't really actively pursue Harley that hard. He was definitely willing to kill her if he could but he seemed to largely ignore her and only deal with her when she came up.

Well, he kinda became obsessed with Batman, who was his main issue. Harley just kinda floated about a bit, hooking up with Batman before her character development really took hold in year 5. But even then Batman was the main threat.

I guess that makes sense still feels really weird considering she played a big role in the destruction of Metropolis.

Considering how he immediately went straight to kill Joker, it doesn't really make sense that ignores Harley who is essentially his wife and partner in crime.

Oh God help her kid if he ever finds out about her.

I don't think this was ever brought up, suffer consequences for her actions isn't an extreme thing in this case, especially when Batman abandoned and disowned his son over a single murder, but is okay with Harley when she assisted Joker in wiping out millions.

I'm fine with 'suffer consequences' but the way people sometimes go about it feels gross and over the top. Plus it's easy enough point to make that her fighting against Superman is atonement in that she's trying to stop the monster she helped Joker create.

Superman even saves Harley from Darkseid at one point and never really aims any grievances at her. Jonathan and Martha Kent at least still held her responsible in the Injustice 2 comics.

I'm a fan of the older Harley from BTAS, but I'm not really big on the direction that the character has been going recently. Even in her own TV series, I find her rather insufferable, with her essentially being rewarded for getting Ivy to cheat on Kiteman multiple times. And that's after she spent all of Season 1 and the early part of Season 2 ignoring Ivy or getting her into trouble with her thoughtless behavior. Also, I'm not a fan of Tara Strong's Harley voice and she seems to be the main VA for the character now.