Disney/Pixar In General

I think the thing with stop-motion is that it is associated with a British/European look. Even Flushed Away (which isn't stop motion) did not perform well because it had a certain character design that's associated with it not being "North American", which is a shame. Regarding film, CGI is the only animation type that is seen as "American", while the others aren't.

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I'm pulling for Zootopia over Moana and Kubo. I feel that Zootopia had the best story of any film I've seen this year, and I feel was more impressive visually than Moana. Kubo was the best looking animated film this year, but I felt was ultimately lacking in story. I feel if Kubo wins it will at least in part be an apology for Para Norman losing to Brave/

I'm not so sure about that. Aardman's style is specific to themselves, whether they're doing CGI or stop motion, and they are a British company, sure. But stop-motion has a long tradition in the US, and any American who's seen Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer or, for that matter, Coraline is familiar with it (and Coraline, if I remember right, was reasonably successful). I don't know that any particular types of animation are considered more or less North American (to the extent that audiences think about that at all), but there are definitely kinds that North American audiences are less familiar with (the paper cutouts of The Apostle for instance, or pixelization, etc). There are certainly styles of animation that are considered foreign (like anime, but not limited to that of course) and that can be, while a draw to animation fans, off putting to more general audiences.

edited 28th Jan '17 9:47:30 PM by Robbery

As impressive as that short looked, I remember seeing a behind-the-scenes featurette on it and thinking that it probably would've been far less laborious with similar results to have just done 2-D-CG hybrid animation (similar to most western action cartoons these days) or even just 2-D animation. I could be wrong though. If I recall correctly, they roughly rendered (or fully, don't remember) every frame and then more or less rotoscoped (though not quite) outlines over them. It was interesting, but it seemed like more effort than is worth.

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Which reminds me: I was ridiculously happy to see a proper Disney Acid Sequences in Moana! Man, I have missed those.

Also, not just Disney related, but the Tangled TV show made me thinking...

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edited 29th Jan '17 11:30:30 AM by Swanpride

Keep in mind, a style is not associated with a company. Aardman also co-produced Arthur Christrmas a CGI animated film that was animated chiefly by them and SONY Animations with a new style that was neither the typical beady-eyed Aardman, nor the Westernized Toy-Story.

With that example in mind, it might be more accurate to say that a company isn't associated with a style.

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Obviously us animation fans can tell the difference, but the general american moviegoer often does not have as much knowledge or care to make the distinguish between all stop-motion films.

It's kind of ironic you made the article swanpride, because I was thinking about television shows based on animated films. It is like Disney is going back to their 90s mentality, but choosing to add a bit more quality in their output.

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Im not a fan of them, but there are many who would disagree with the 90's Disney series not having quality...

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Ah, yes - Darkwing Duck, Recess, Gargoyles... all well-known as landmarks of bad taste.

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The Little Mermaid and the Aladdin TV show weren't that bad either. But Disney had a number of misses in the late 1990s and early 2000s.

There were a few misses in Disney's animated TV lineup - the Disney Doug in particular is the one that really sticks out to me - but overall it's always been pretty good.

(Now, Disney's live-action TV lineup... that's a horse of a different color. Vomit-colored, that is.)

edited 29th Jan '17 4:06:15 PM by Aldo930

"They say I'm old fashioned, and live in the past, but sometimes I think progress progresses too fast."

The only Disney live action series from the 90's that I can remember besides Sister Sister and Smart Guy (both of which were pretty good) is Flash Forward, and I remember nothing about it beyond the fact that it exists.

Although... does Muppets Tonight count? Cause I love that show, and think it gets a bad rap.

Most of the Disney Afternoon tv shows were at least decent, even if they weren't always great. The biggest sin I remember from some of them was in the ones that were just kind of bland - like Marsupillami.

edited 29th Jan '17 4:17:47 PM by KnownUnknown

"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.

I forget whether Disney produced Muppets Tonight. It was before they bought the Muppets, but it did air on the Disney Channel.

Disney might have also produced Dinosaurs as well.

EDIT: Disney did not produce Muppets Tonight, but they did produce Dinosaurs.

edited 29th Jan '17 4:21:25 PM by Aldo930

"They say I'm old fashioned, and live in the past, but sometimes I think progress progresses too fast."

Doug was actually quite successful in Europe...I was more thinking of shows like Quack Pack, Mighty Ducks aso...you know the stuff which was really, really 1990s, but without the charm Goofy and Max had.

Dinosaurs is a Jim Henson Show, but it was naturally made under the Disney umbrella....best Season Finale ever...someone should show it to Trump....

edited 29th Jan '17 4:21:17 PM by Swanpride

I thought people over there had taste. Clearly they never got the Nickelodeon original.

"They say I'm old fashioned, and live in the past, but sometimes I think progress progresses too fast."

Quack Pack was okay. People hated it because it wasn't Ducktales, but it was still pretty decent. I think they even adapted a Barks story or two, just not the Uncle Scrooge style adventures.

In retrospect, Mighty Ducks might have sucked.

edited 29th Jan '17 4:26:18 PM by KnownUnknown

"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.

Mighty Ducks was kinda So Bad, It's Good. I'd still place it above something like Bonkers or the 101 Dalmatians show.

Even when I was a stupid kid with no taste (wasted too much of my TV time on the Pokémon anime) I didn't like Bonkers. I did like the 101 Dalmations show, but I can't remember much about it.

edited 29th Jan '17 7:23:25 PM by Karxrida

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I think I remember my sister liking Bonkers. It didn't really do it for me.

edited 29th Jan '17 7:54:08 PM by Demetrios

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Bonkers had its moments, but not enough of them. I remember liking Lucky as a kid, though.

edited 29th Jan '17 8:41:07 PM by KnownUnknown

"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.

I hate Quack Pack on the grounds that everyone in charge of the show made horrible creative decisions and failed to see why they were so bad.

edited 29th Jan '17 9:25:55 PM by kyun

Dinosaurs was one of the last projects on which Jim Henson himself had input, and one of the first his company did working with Disney. The other was a Muppets show that could only be seen at Disney World, and that I've heard was quite excellent.

Muppetvision, yes, it's really good.

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