LGBTQ+ Rights Worldwide

The evidence would seem to be against you than. If they need a role model they don't need to find it in their parents so that isn't an issue. Same sex parents seem to do just fine.

edited 20th Apr '13 8:24:01 AM by Wildcard

A child still needs a mother and a father, we just altered the definition/goalposts of what form Mother/Father figures can take.

edited 20th Apr '13 8:27:06 AM by joeyjojo

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Even if we agree with that, (I know plenty of happy single parent kids) it doesn't mean the biological sex of the mother and father is important.

For that matter, do you mean a mother and father by sex or by gender?

And what if one parent is both?

edited 20th Apr '13 8:31:59 AM by Elfive

Preferably a child should have two parents to spread the workload and for emotional support. But it isn't absolutely necessary to raise a child.

Why does the biological sex of the parents matter, if their gender roles do not, and in fact do you have evidence for your claim? Because I have posted evidence that it does not matter, at least for adoptive parents.

That was the amazing part. Things just keep going.

No, I mean what if one parent is bigendered and the other is the same biological sex, would that still count as having a parent of both genders?

Glad you made the Distinction. Non cis parents had cross my mind that but the numbers of transexuals rising families are relatively small enough it's best to go with case to case basis without making any sweeping generalisation.

edited 20th Apr '13 8:42:08 AM by joeyjojo

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Here's another one: what if you have a heterosexual couple, but one of them is genderfluid so the kid only has parents of both genders about half the time?

edited 20th Apr '13 8:56:15 AM by Elfive

Or even not alive at all, say, Optimus Prime.

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.

This sounds suspiciously like "Yes, a child needs two stereotypes on legs because society relies on these two stereotypes".

And, well, it's false. "Gender-based" dynamics are often power dynamics that can be found between two people of the same gender as well. Regardless of gender, one can be the dominant one that breadwins and does the home improvement, and one can be "the housewife" who tends to the kitchen and the kid(s).

edited 20th Apr '13 12:41:43 PM by Medinoc

"And as long as a sack of shit is not a good thing to be, chivalry will never die."

Besides, people can be more complicated than that. There are heterosexual couples who have no real "gender-based dynamic" either.

edited 20th Apr '13 1:52:13 PM by kay4today

I can't help but wonder if we'd be better off if all children were raised by Optimus Prime.

Anyways, children should be exposed to a lot of people in different social dynamics, including exceptions to established gender roles.

Share it so that people can get into this conversation, 'cause we're not the only ones who think like this.

Maybe in his Transformers: Prime incarnation. His Generation One self is a racist genocidal prick.

edited 20th Apr '13 3:52:36 PM by TheHandle

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.

I really don't want to derail the thread, but could you please explain that somewhere please? Sorry for the irrelevant post guys.

Am I a good man or a bad man?

It's transformers, do they really need a excuse to make a reference to an 1980s kids show?

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AHEM

ON-TOPIC:

Uruguay passed a gay marriage act last month, making it another S American country to pass such a law. Hehehe. Ur-A-Gay-An. Hehehhe.

And Ireland's Constitutional Convention has expressed a desire for the Parliament of Ireland to pass an amendment to the Constitution to allow gay couples the right to marry (Ireland currently has civil unions, which are marriage in all but name).

PopelandIreland?

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.

... Yeah? What's so wrong about that? /isconfused

If you're referring to the Catholicism, then I must tell you that plenty of Catholic countries have gay marriage/civil unions, eg Spain, Portugal, Argentina, and Brazil.

Ireland is a secular nation-state. It is no more "Catholic" as Britain is a "Protestant" nation.

edited 20th Apr '13 5:09:02 PM by Inhopelessguy

@Elfive: Like I said case by case.

@Telcontar:Just my gut. Normally I wouldn't put too stock into but the social science methodology is infamously flawed.

@Medinoc: Even if that was the case if society relies on these two gender stereotypes having ready access to this two people who fall into these stereotypes would be beneficial for the child's social development. It's the social norm.

@Hopeless: It's going to be a cold day in hell when that pass in Ireland. It's super like super Catholic. I'm old enough to remember when divorce was legalised there. And I'm not that old.

edited 20th Apr '13 5:20:14 PM by joeyjojo

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Spain doesn't have gay marriage, and it's just illegalized abortion. Spain is currently governed by the sons of fascists, and it fucking shows.

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.

You can call Fascists many things, but one thing you can't call them is pro life.

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I never said they were fascists themselves. But fascists are famous for being fucking (heh) natalists.

edited 20th Apr '13 5:21:13 PM by TheHandle

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.

...Ugh.

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@joey: Just because something is the social norm that doesn't mean it is good for a child's development. It's more like a case by case basis actually, some things work to help one child develop, but social norms aren't gonna work for every child.