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Shaoken Since: Jan, 2001
#59001: Apr 5th 2019 at 4:03:29 PM

From the forum rules page:

Avoid posts that contain only links, without context. Not everyone can or wants to click out of the site to see what you're talking about. To help advance the discussion, quote relevant passages from the linked content or provide a summary.

That would cover You Tube in this case, not everyone wants to just blindly start You Tube videos to figure out what someone else wanted them to see. At the very least that screws up people's recommended videos, I spent weeks getting a whole bunch of "RWBY sucks" recommendations that way.

EDIT: Both [nja] and awkward pagetopper.

Edited by Shaoken on Apr 5th 2019 at 10:04:00 PM

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#59002: Apr 5th 2019 at 4:04:54 PM

I'd say I [nja]'d you, but given it's the page topper it works out. grin

You, meanwhile, have managed to [nja] my [nja]

For sake of relevance to topic, the video being referenced here has a picture of Ruby as a thumbnail and the words "ANSWER ME!" and a title that only goes as far as "Ruby Is A Frustrated Sil..."

Edited by sgamer82 on Apr 5th 2019 at 5:06:17 AM

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#59003: Apr 5th 2019 at 4:46:38 PM

The video is called "Ruby Is A Frustrated Silver Eyed Warrior". The whole video is a dub over of Ruby asking everyone of authority what her Silver Eyes are and how to use them. It's a 3 minutes long joke video.

Ryno_v Since: Dec, 2017
#59004: Apr 5th 2019 at 5:37:11 PM

Shark Cinder Evil Minions [1]

And an AU from the same artist were Summer found Cinder instead of Salem [2] [3]

Shaoken Since: Jan, 2001
#59005: Apr 5th 2019 at 6:12:46 PM

I do think that Shark!Cinder is best Cinder, and kidn of want a random moment in a future episode where Salem pulls out Cinder's baby photos or equivilant.

CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#59006: Apr 5th 2019 at 6:20:16 PM

[up] For better or worse, that bit from volume 3 where we hear part of what seems to be Cinder's first meeting with Salem seems to indicate that popular theory (that Cinder was raised by Salem) isn't canon.

Ryno_v Since: Dec, 2017
#59007: Apr 5th 2019 at 7:57:49 PM

[up]If your talking about the part were Cinder say say wants to strong,feared, powerful I always took it as Cinder reconfirmed why she still with Salem or RT didn't want to hire an child actress to say one sentence or RT did't want to confused people by having some one we don't know speak.

gjjones Musician/Composer from South Wales, New York Since: Jul, 2016
Musician/Composer
#59008: Apr 6th 2019 at 3:05:20 PM

I have a question: How's RWBY doing financially for Rooster Teeth?

He/His/Him. No matter who you are, always Be Yourself.
Tharkun140 The Arch-Douchebag Since: Apr, 2016 Relationship Status: What is this thing you call love?
The Arch-Douchebag
#59009: Apr 6th 2019 at 3:09:27 PM

Considering that the show had been only gaining in popularity from season to season and that RT is perfectly happy to keep it running indefinitely, I'd say it's doing pretty damn sweet.

Apathy is Death. Worse than Death, because at least a rotting corpse feeds beasts and insects.
Wyldchyld (Old as dirt)
#59010: Apr 6th 2019 at 5:45:22 PM

That doesn’t really explain why the relic of choice seems way more important than the others.

That's outside the scope of my post. My theory doesn't deal with whether or not one Relic might be more important than any others. It's a separate discussion entirely.


Okay, so how are we troping the Team CFVY novel? People have already been troping it straight into the normal character pages. Is that how we're doing it?

If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.
Tharkun140 The Arch-Douchebag Since: Apr, 2016 Relationship Status: What is this thing you call love?
The Arch-Douchebag
#59011: Apr 6th 2019 at 5:49:54 PM

Sure. Don't see a convincing reason not to, unless we are going full purists and decide that nothing except the main show matters.

Apathy is Death. Worse than Death, because at least a rotting corpse feeds beasts and insects.
Kylotrope Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it) from Honolulu Hawaii Since: Apr, 2018
Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it)
#59012: Apr 6th 2019 at 6:09:36 PM

I've seen some people(And myself) Compare Adam and Salem.

Both were once good people who wanted "Freedom"(Adam desired civil rights, Salem wanted Freedom from the gods) Before becoming Narcissists desiring to Enslave Humanity. Both have gigantic Never My Fault complexes And of Course both....didn't have the best reaction to a break up.

Think that was Intentional?

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CaptainCapsase from Orbiting Sagittarius A* Since: Jan, 2015
#59013: Apr 6th 2019 at 6:21:26 PM

[up] Possibly, though I suspect was a degree of Divergent Character Evolution if that parallel was intentional; Adam gets just the barest Freudian Excuse before being killed off, having been firmly in Complete Monster territory prior to that point, whereas Salem has a full episode long Start of Darkness and an element of supernatural corruption that's absent from Adam's story. It's not saying much given the show hasn't done very much to characterize its villains prior to this point, but with Illia having pulled a Heel–Face Turn Salem's probably the most fleshed out villain who is still one of the villains. Perhaps Adam was intended to be more tragic/sympathetic at some point, but they just kinda ran with the whole stalker ex thing a bit too hard and felt like that just wasn't going to work.

Edited by CaptainCapsase on Apr 6th 2019 at 9:23:46 AM

AceTriad Since: Nov, 2014
#59014: Apr 8th 2019 at 9:13:06 AM

Tharkun140 Hi, I'm a newbie when it comes to editing for RWBY, and I was wondering if the YMMV page locks until what, 09:15 (9:15 PM EST?) are a regular thing.

See, I was wondering if Cinder can be considered a Scrappy character given how a good chunk of the FNDM outright don't like the character. And I'm not talking about the critical side of the FNDM - even more moderately positive RWBY Tubers such as Mediaocrity 4 and Unicorn of War (IMO) don't think she's a good character either.

Edited by AceTriad on Apr 8th 2019 at 9:14:17 AM

Tharkun140 The Arch-Douchebag Since: Apr, 2016 Relationship Status: What is this thing you call love?
The Arch-Douchebag
#59015: Apr 8th 2019 at 9:22:15 AM

Was there any page lock recently? Must have not noticed. Anyways, I don't think that they are a frequent thing, but that just sometimes happens on a large and frequently edited YMMV page.

The tricky thing about listing Cinder as a Scrappy is that, being a major villain on the far end of Sliding Scale of Antagonist Vileness she is sort of meant to invoke hatred from the audience. The reviewers are one thing, but there often no way to tell if a given viewer hates Cinder as a character or just likes rooting against her.

Edited by Tharkun140 on Apr 8th 2019 at 6:37:17 PM

Apathy is Death. Worse than Death, because at least a rotting corpse feeds beasts and insects.
AceTriad Since: Nov, 2014
#59016: Apr 8th 2019 at 9:50:39 AM

[up] Well, to be honest, Cinder's hated because she's considered stale and boring. Lack of backstory or context as to why she wants power, same vocal delivery for all her lines, smug cheap Villain Ball arrogance in V5 just to give the heroes a chance, so on and so forth. Morality is likely to be the least of their complaints...

Kylotrope Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it) from Honolulu Hawaii Since: Apr, 2018
Barb(Its a thread joke you wouldn't get it)
#59017: Apr 8th 2019 at 12:41:22 PM

Cinder has ALOT of Critcs. But I wouldn't call her a Scrappy. She still has a good deal of fans.

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Ryno_v Since: Dec, 2017
#59019: Apr 9th 2019 at 12:41:30 PM

Welcome to the RWBY Fandom by Acefishy a RWBY web-comic is coming off hiatus new episode Friday.

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gjjones Musician/Composer from South Wales, New York Since: Jul, 2016
Musician/Composer
#59020: Apr 10th 2019 at 9:13:55 PM

Some of you might know there's a relatively new cleanup thread, the Unreleased Work Speculation Cleanup thread.

This thread may be useful if we want to add tropes to RWBY Volume 7 based on promotional materials in the future. Any thoughts?

Edited by gjjones on Apr 10th 2019 at 12:23:02 PM

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Tharkun140 The Arch-Douchebag Since: Apr, 2016 Relationship Status: What is this thing you call love?
The Arch-Douchebag
#59021: Apr 12th 2019 at 11:51:19 AM

[up] I would disadvise adding tropes based on promotional material anyways, but I guess it's good to know that there is a thread for that.

The reason why I'm writing the post: Don't you guys think that RWBY handles some — almost all, really — of its themes immaturely? I mostly mean Yang's harmless PTSD and that whole "Let go of the past" motive that is shoved down our throats without much nuance, though poorly-handled racism subplot is also an issue.

Edited by Tharkun140 on Apr 12th 2019 at 8:51:35 PM

Apathy is Death. Worse than Death, because at least a rotting corpse feeds beasts and insects.
VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#59022: Apr 12th 2019 at 12:30:04 PM

They could have been better, but this is as best as we can get from this crew.

bandersnitch Since: Aug, 2016
#59023: Apr 12th 2019 at 1:43:55 PM

[up][up]

I disagree with the PTSD. I've no direct experiences with it, but I've seen people, who actually suffered from it or the loss of a body part, praise how RWBY portrayed Yang's arc. Many even wondered if someone in RT has experience with that, because the show portrayed both in an extremely realistic way.

RWBY's portrayal of racism is also fairly close to how racism is in Germany was (before the refugee crisis happened). Even the extremism of the White Fang are how extremism of muslin communities rose in Germany.

I wouldn't say there is much let go of the past. Imo RWBY handles topics like abandonment, loneliness, abuse and recovery from it in a surprisingly mature way.

gjjones Musician/Composer from South Wales, New York Since: Jul, 2016
Musician/Composer
#59024: Apr 12th 2019 at 1:49:33 PM

[up][up][up] Indeed, there's a relevant Administrivia page regarding speculation, which is the Speculative Troping page.

Of course, like I said, when Volume 7 is announced, any trope based on promotional materials may be discussed on that cleanup thread I've mentioned a few posts up before they're added. As what nombretomado pointed out in one of these discussions:

OK. The mods are pretty much split down the middle. Some would like to keep YMMV on pre-release works locked as a rule. Some feel that this is more suitable for a case-by-case basis, with some obviously problematic cases overshadowing the majority of pre-release works.

Because this would be a substantial item to enforce, with a lack of definitive consensus, we are not locking or banning troping on pre-release works. Works that are pre-release and are attracting an unmanageable amount of chaos (natter, speculation, etc.) that is more than the new clean-up thread can handle should be brought to the Locked pages thread and requested to be locked/cut.

Even as it can attract some overeager troping, trailers, promotional materials, etc. are observable, publicly released materials that are intended to be a supplemental addition to the work, if not the work proper, and as such can be troped reasonably.

(It is in the best interest of any work page to note that a trope is appearing in a trailer et al if not in the film/TV show/etc. itself. This will also help to avoid dating the work page once the work is post-release.)

Thank you for all the vigorous discussion. This is the standing mod decision until further notice.

Edited by gjjones on Apr 12th 2019 at 5:14:38 AM

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Tharkun140 The Arch-Douchebag Since: Apr, 2016 Relationship Status: What is this thing you call love?
The Arch-Douchebag
#59025: Apr 12th 2019 at 2:20:36 PM

[up][up] Huh. I'm gonna have to take your word for PTSD portrayal being realistic, since I only have a basic grasp on the topic.

I will, however, have to disagree that the way Faunus discrimination and the White Fang were portrayed are anywhere close to anything in real life. The White Fang seems to oscillate between being a bunch of pissed off Western Terrorist and a fantasy version of the Taliban, neither of which makes much sense given their backstory. How do you get from a civil rights group that travels around in trucks an organizes protests to a terrorist group of which leader sits on a dark throne and gets offended at the sight of people she supposedly wants equal treatment from in a span of several years? The way the whole subplot resolved is kind of silly as well — how would seeing a group of faunus fight the White Fang change anyone's mind about the species? To use your analogy, the vast majority of people opposing Muslim terrorist groups are other Muslims, but xenophobes don't give a crap about that.

And there was a lot of "let the past die" sort of narrative: The "Keep Moving forward" speech once a volume, the Brother Gods' incoherent rambling about the importance of death and Blake's unsubtle "Let go of the past" line, which may I mention, is a rather stupid thing to say to someone who is a fugitive with no future to speak of and has a huge brand on his face to remind him of the past.

Edited by Tharkun140 on Apr 12th 2019 at 11:35:39 AM

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