TLP Crash Rescue - Fixing prematurely launched TLPs and pages

Digress: I think "Anxiety/Coping Tic" is more common though

As I said in the TLP, the issue isn't chairs or being omnipresent, it's the fact that it's Like Reality, Unless Noted. We don't need a trope page for "smiles when happy," because we know that smiles mean happiness because that's how the real world works.

But we do trope a lot of things about how the real world works. It's called Truth in TV.

And here's the thing: while people smile when happy, there are a lot of other kinds of reactions of irritation, not just eye rolling.

And there are a lot of other reactions to being happy, not just smiling. So?

Truth in TV tropes still need to be actual tropes that don't just happen because reality says so. There's a difference between, say, Braving the Blizzard (because people do get stuck in blizzards IRL) and "It snows when it's cold out". One is a trope with a unique pattern that just happens to mimic reality... the other is Like Reality, Unless Noted.

I'm not saying that "Irritated Eye Roll" isn't a trope- just that it needs to be more than "an annoyed character rolls their eyes".

Edited by WarJay77 on Mar 1st 2020 at 6:24:33 AM

Maybe I just see it differently.

"Something makes them irritated that they roll their eyes" - I'm seeing good context in that something. I.e just what would make them be irritated enough to do that? It may say something about their character or whatever caused that reaction.

The draft itself, though, was just "an annoyed character will roll their eyes", so...

Anyway, I'll holler a mod to get it sent back.

Oh yes, everyone agree that the description can be better, me included.

Is it ok if I go through Pages Needing Wicks and ask if some of them should be sent back? Or is this only for freshly launched TL Ps? Should I just make TRS threads for each one? Some of them dont even have a YKTTW/TLP because its wasnt until 3ish years it was mandatory to go to TLP to make a trope. This was before the Main/ namespace was restricted to mods only.

Theres more than just this but I just discovered Batty Books. It only has two on page examples from works not counting the general examples. I am not sure about the concept either. It also was created without TLP

Edited by MacronNotes on Mar 1st 2020 at 2:01:42 PM

This is for freshly made (or at least a few months old) TLPs; older tropes are too established to be unlaunched without any TRS discussion.

Taking those to TRS sounds good to me, but with the backlog, you may want to hold off. The sandbox in my bio can hold the information in the meantime.

Edited by WarJay77 on Mar 1st 2020 at 2:04:13 PM

Lore Porn was launched with only 2 net hats.

... of course it did.

There's a ''lot'' of ongoing discussion on what it... is. But the sponsor is... enthusiastic.

Edited by Larkmarn on Mar 3rd 2020 at 1:26:41 PM

Yeah, he seemed desperate. I wanted to bring it preemptively, but I wanted to give them the benefit of the doubt.

I guess I was wrong.

We also still need Eye Roll unlaunched; that was another overly enthusiastic sponsor.

But jeez, I'm not even entirely sure where all the hats for Lore Porn came from considering it's only been a few days and most of the discussion has been teaching the sponsor how to sponsor.

If I had to guess, I'm assuming that people threw him hats for encouragement, and/or turned their bombs to hats when the trope went from "gibberish" to "well-formatted but ill-defined."

Anyway, I hollered your post, but I haven't seen a lot of mod activity across the site this week; I called for Eye Roll to be unlaunched last week but no response.

Edited by Larkmarn on Mar 3rd 2020 at 4:29:19 AM

Some mods have been active lately; so should we holler again for Eye Roll and Lore Porn to be kicked back? My other recent hollers (like moving threads) have been answered, so I'm not sure why our hollers for this one are being overlooked, but we can try again.

Edited by WarJay77 on Mar 4th 2020 at 4:27:40 AM

They are busy with life and such also probably understaffed. But yeah hollering again might work.

Edited by MacronNotes on Mar 5th 2020 at 5:36:49 AM

I waited a day and hollered today. Hopefully we get a response this time.

Signature Role YMMV was rogue-launched after having no TLP activity since last July. The account that did the launching was just created today.

Plus it still has YMMV in the title. A definite send back.

Add it to the pile, I guess.

I feel this may be a rude question, and I apologize if it is, but it's something I've been wanting to ask for a while now.

Is there anything in the TLP launching process that specifically says something in the line of "We frown upon rogue launching, do not launch this trope unless you have been an active participate in its creation and have announced plans to launch it"?

It's mentioned repeatedly on TLP Guidelines, for one.

Yeah, but I'm thinking in terms of something you'd see on a confirmation page. Something you couldn't reasonably miss seeing while int he process of launching a trope. Something that could make someone stop and think "oh, wait, maybe I shouldn't do this", or remove any excuse of ignorance if they do it anyway.

Edited by sgamer82 on Mar 6th 2020 at 7:05:40 AM

Unfortunately, no- but it might not stop people if there was, as it does tell you to Crosswick and that gets ignored constantly by the same people who rogue launch. It also wouldn't deter sponsors from stealth launching.

No, but it would at least make sure anyone who does has no excuse if called out on it later. Can't say you never saw the rule if it's placed right in front of you while you're in the process of breaking it.