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Deadlock Clock: Oct 29th 2012 at 11:59:00 PM
Sparkysharps Since: Jan, 2001
#1: Aug 19th 2012 at 11:07:38 AM

The trope itself seems pretty clear to me - a character is begrudgingly attracted to someone of the same sex. However, a lot of the wicks, and more than a few examples that have popped up (and sometimes pruned) seem to use it as Memetic Sex God.

I'm not arguing for any specific change to the trope itself, but I do think something needs to be done beyond just going in and pruning - be it a bolded clarification note or a name change (which might help - the fact that it's misused as Memetic Sex God probably has to do with the fact that the phrase itself is a meme) - because the misuse keeps happening. So, any thoughts?

AnotherDuck No, the other one. from Stockholm Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Mu
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#2: Aug 19th 2012 at 12:36:21 PM

I fixed the title link. You need to CamelCase it.

I'm not sure exactly what would help. Personally I don't think the name is that bad, as it does imply an unwanted attraction, but it could perhaps be better.

The unwanted bit could use a bit more emphasis in the description.

We do need to clean all examples where the attracted part isn't reluctantly so (or in the case of Ranma One Half, where they explicitly make a point that they don't care, eventhough they perhaps should), and If It's You, It's Okay. That seems to be the most common misuse at a glance.

edited 27th Oct '12 1:33:07 AM by AnotherDuck

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nitrokitty Since: Jun, 2010
#3: Aug 26th 2012 at 1:00:38 PM

[up] Those seem to be the fault of people, not the trope. I don't see how a name change would fix anything.

Ponyboy64 Since: Aug, 2012
#4: Aug 26th 2012 at 1:36:43 PM

The phrase Stupid Sexy Flanders is a meme, though, and a kind of annoying meme at that. I'd much rather see a name that actually has something to do with the trope, rather than just a specific example of that.

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#5: Aug 26th 2012 at 2:05:55 PM

^If it's a meme, could the meme-y name be the cause of the misuse?

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Ponyboy64 Since: Aug, 2012
#6: Aug 27th 2012 at 7:53:03 PM

^ I wouldn't be surprised if it was. That on top of it just being an annoying meme named for one example, I really hope it gets renamed...

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#7: Aug 28th 2012 at 3:52:10 AM

I don't think being "annoying" is good grounds for a rename, though being example-based is. Still, this one rolls off the tongue (which is what let it become a meme) and is pretty good as far as example-based names go.

I find it hard to think of a short, descriptive phrase. "Unwanted Moment Of Same Sex Attraction" would work but is more a laconic than a title.

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Ponyboy64 Since: Aug, 2012
#8: Aug 28th 2012 at 5:44:38 AM

[up] Awkward Gay Attraction would be three words, the same number of words the current name has.

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Discar Since: Jun, 2009
#9: Aug 28th 2012 at 7:19:42 AM

And it sounds like a laconic. We're trying to get away from those again.

Clarste One Winged Egret Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
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#10: Aug 28th 2012 at 11:17:29 AM

Maybe it's just because I'm familiar with the context of the original line, but I've always thought that "Stupid" implied "Unwanted". It's not just "Sexy Flanders", it's the fact that "Sexy Flanders" is consider stupid by the character. He's insulting his own attraction.

edited 28th Aug '12 11:18:21 AM by Clarste

AnotherDuck No, the other one. from Stockholm Since: Jul, 2012 Relationship Status: Mu
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#11: Aug 28th 2012 at 8:30:29 PM

For once I agree with Clarste.

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spacemarine50 Since: Mar, 2012
#12: Aug 28th 2012 at 11:51:10 PM

My ideas for a name: I Am Hetro, I Am Gay, I Am Not Attracted To Him. Point is to capture the reaction of the character, trying to convince himself he's really hetro/gay in that situation.

Routerie Since: Oct, 2011
#13: Aug 28th 2012 at 11:58:13 PM

Is that supposed to be one long name? (Individually, each is not clear at all.)

Escher Since: Nov, 2010
#14: Aug 29th 2012 at 7:31:47 AM

I never had a problem with the title. "Stupid Sexy Flanders", to me, perfectly captures the idea that you're attracted to somebody and DON'T WANT TO BE.

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#15: Aug 29th 2012 at 8:02:59 AM

Unwanted Homoerotic Moment?

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abk0100 Since: Aug, 2011
#16: Aug 29th 2012 at 8:04:22 AM

Since January 1, 2012 this article has brought 2,573 people to the wiki from non-search engine links.

There better be a lot of misuse if we're renaming this. Even, then, I'd still probably prefer just making the description clearer and doing a cleanup.

edited 29th Aug '12 8:04:39 AM by abk0100

spacemarine50 Since: Mar, 2012
#17: Aug 29th 2012 at 1:23:16 PM

@13: No. Just a list of ideas.

Drakkenmensch Since: Nov, 2010
#18: Aug 30th 2012 at 7:05:11 AM

Other possibility: reworking the page to act as a super trope to other suggested ideaas, though separating examples in the right category may get dicey at times.

peccantis Since: Oct, 2010
#19: Aug 30th 2012 at 8:59:45 AM

@15 naaaah no that would be too wide, it'd have to be something like Unwanted Moment Of Own Homoerotic Attraction...

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#20: Oct 26th 2012 at 10:35:03 PM

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#21: Nov 6th 2012 at 8:30:29 AM

Locking.

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