The Place for Purging Porn and Pedo-Pandering (AKA P5 flag evaluations)

Are you certain he's 15? The first chapter pins him down as 19...

Or are you talking about something else?

edited 27th Jun '12 10:14:31 PM by Raidouthe21st

Maybe mistakenly referring to a flash back as a time skip?

That's not the true first chapter. That's the time skip. There's an earlier chapter. A special one that tells his past. Let me find it...

And never mind, that'd be... I'm trying to remember if it was 2 or 3 years. He was either 16 or 17.

http://manga.animea.net/my-balls.html?skip=1 There's a lot more chapters than the basic 41.

Well, that part is still part of the series. It's just a question of what his age was then.

edited 27th Jun '12 10:20:50 PM by Hydronix

-Reads what's "before" the 1st chapter listed there-

I think you're mistaking what is a prototype work of that manga for being part of the actual finished work. Some manga have those, including the manga originally submitted to the editors as a bonus for the volumes. Like "Romance Dawn" for One Piece. I don't think that's the same protagonist at all, or really even the same story.

And the thing after the 41st chapter is just a few-page epilogue.

edited 27th Jun '12 10:35:59 PM by Raidouthe21st

There are one or two side-chapters involving a first-year high-schooler (not the male lead), but that's on the border. I'm arguing that the later chapters have excessive sexual content (compared to the first volume), which some 5P members might not have taken into account when making their decision.

edited 27th Jun '12 10:28:07 PM by Pyrite

That, and the kid was 16. It's still part of the series regardless.

Pretty sure the same artist did it. It needs to be considered if that part should be mentioned anyway.

But the point is it's not. Even. The same. Story. It's a rough draft. Completely ignorable in the context of the rest of the series, and would never need to be mentioned on the trope page...in fact, I don't recall if it is mentioned on the trope page?

If you want it excluded from the page, fine. If the P5 find the the content in the actual series makes it impossible to keep, fine. But trying to use what's essentially a beta product to represent the finished work is just...

Ugh, forget it.

edited 27th Jun '12 10:34:15 PM by Raidouthe21st

Just saying if we count first-draft/prototype chapters and such we need to review Gunslinger Girl because the proto-version (under a different pen-name) was lets say rather adult.

If the chapters in question are a bonus for the tokubon (trade paper back for you comic geeks) then we can probably count them.

edited 27th Jun '12 10:37:14 PM by shadis

It simply means whether they need to be omitted or not. Of course they should be looked at.

Albeit, this isn't a full case, as 16 is fine, but there's other times where we have to know what to mention.

How excessive is the "sexual content"? Unless it gets to the point of completely eclipsing the plot, and it's played for the primary purpose of titillation, I'm not gonna cut it.

Just to clarify, it kind of is the plot. Make Kouta ejaculate.

However, it's still a comedy regardless. Titilation... would only depend solely on one's fetishes. Hard to really say without reading in this case.

Then the use of the phrase "Time Skip" was seriously incorrect, mate.

It's one of those odd things where the sexual content is more or less part of the story, sorry to say. I'm not gonna claim it's squeaky clean, though. It's kind of a "more of the same, but weirder/more graphic" sort of thing.

While I'm too tired to fully explain, I will note that by the end it's changed its focus away from pure sexual comedy to an exploration of the main couple's romantic relationship.

edited 27th Jun '12 10:41:39 PM by Raidouthe21st

... Okay, answer me this, then: is the sexual content played primarily for the sake of titillation?

Short answer: no.

Yeah, used the wrong one. I kept forgetting Kohta wasn't the young kid. That's why.

Anyway, not really. IMO.

I was too busy cringing at some of the things the guy went through to be aroused.

In other words, no.

edited 27th Jun '12 10:46:39 PM by Raidouthe21st

Thank you.

By the way, I hope none of you guys are planning on reflagging Oglaf...

If titillation is the issue here, then I don't see why Caligula is still gone. While I've only seen The Cinema Snob's review of it and not the actual film, I got the distinct impression that all the sex and violence therein was supposed to be disturbing, not arousing.

Komodin: Actually, I'd think "yes, it's played for titillation", and "it can't eclipse the plot, because it's part of the plot". And by "excessive", as I've said earlier, we're talking about one explicit sex scene per chapter taking up half the chapter length for nearly every chapter in the last two volumes.

And once again, the female lead is explicitly supposed to be of equivalent physical maturity to a middle-schooler.

edited 27th Jun '12 10:51:41 PM by Pyrite

Okay, that's the last two volumes. However, I'm viewing the work as a whole an-

... Welp. That's pretty damning. Can anyone else vouch for this?

I don't know. I flipped though several later chapters, I never saw a sex scene take up more than about 3 pages (of a 25 page chapter).

Here's a pretty good picture of what the main girl looks like.

edited 27th Jun '12 10:54:02 PM by KuroBaraHime

Maturity: Refer to my link in the argument post (For reference, it's "Extra Ball 1", a chapter which was presumably added in the compilation and wouldn't have been part of the original serialisation.)

Progressive explicit content: It's a progression. For reference, here's the first chapter of the third volume, which is already pretty much full-on sex taking up about half the chapter as we know it.

edited 27th Jun '12 10:57:54 PM by Pyrite

I read it all. Elyse is technically a young character by demon standards.

You see, her "Succubus" form is her adult form. She's more or less a teenager through most of it. Her breast size is rather small. It's really difficult to tell. I'd say borderline 15 myself. Albeit, her real age is unknown because demon.

http://manga.animea.net/my-balls-chapter-7-page-4.html This is her as a human.

edited 27th Jun '12 10:57:08 PM by Hydronix

...Well, um, for those who don't like nudity, I'm gonna link to this for a picture of the main female lead◊.

The biggest problem here in determining whether or not she's supposed to be middle schoolish is that, well, A-Cup Angst is heavily in play here.

edited 27th Jun '12 10:57:45 PM by Raidouthe21st

... Okay, perhaps my eyes are going screwy again, but I see a flat-chested young adult, not a "middle schooler."