The Place for Purging Porn and Pedo-Pandering (AKA P5 flag evaluations)

A brain washer?

Okay, that mental image is hilarious.

As far as that work goes, Kill It with Fire.

One more devil head and it will be Deader than Dead.

I find your collective reactions deliciously amusing. Jokes aside, I suppose I can trust the opinions of 3 - 4 independent observers, assuming you've done the research, so I might not look into this. (But then again, Bile Fascination...)

I've read Ichinese before.

When one of the main chars is a out-and-out female lolicon-obsessed creepazoid trying their best to force the main char into perverted situations, you've gone way beyond KnJ territory.

And I didn't bat an eye at the thong thing. Just sorta planted my head on my desk and sigh loudly.

edited 21st May '12 7:33:56 PM by Raidouthe21st

I am reading it right now(up to chapter 11) its not as bad as knj,

I also don't think the first book is THAT bad but the second is more risque, so if it continues to get worse then this is a cut.

edited 21st May '12 7:49:22 PM by Shadis

Re: thong panties. They are also used to hide panty lines. But little kids don't care about those. Is this whole series just an excuse to show kids in skimpy outfits?!

Well, no.

But it definitely doesn't pretend to be ashamed of showing them in such outfits...or, at least, the main character.

I'm scared to look for myself. :(

Ichinensei is good for one thing: laughing at how over-the-top its pandering to pedophiles is.

Of all the things I've read that deserve/d to be at least brought up to judgement against TV Tropes' new rules, this is the one I most expected to be cut due to potential (read: almost certain) appeal to pedophiles.

I've been busy of late, but I still work around the CVR page for votes. I just don't have time for the forums.

Just dropped by because I need some input. I saw Esper Mami on the list. It's by Fujiko Fujio and they sold it freely in my (conservative) country in the early '90s, so I'm inclined to zap the report. However, if you look at the page, it's clear that there's an entry there which is problematic. Not having read it, I'm inclined to think that this is a cultural quirk blasted out of proportion by an editor. Will it be better to just repair that trope entry and move on?

edited 22nd May '12 1:32:36 AM by Catalogue

A quick google image search for "esper mami" reveals what the problem might be.

Gendo and I debated this. Basically, we came to the conclusion that there is a fair amount of non-sexual nudity that's not intended to titillate. For the problematic trope in question, I'd suggest trimming the description a little, but we shouldn't gloss over the fact that this is present.

Wow, gone one day and I miss all the fun.

Ichinensei Ni Nacchattara is getting the 3rd devil head from me. It's already cut, so there's no further action needed, correct?

Correct. Now, let's move on to stuff that won't make me prematurely bald.

like morenatsu.

Morenatsu... meh.

What's the deal with Fairy Sexy? It doesn't seem that lewd; perhaps the name's a bit punny and prurient, but the trope itself appears to be "attractive fairies in fiction." Ain't nothin' wrong with that, right?

What's the "meh" for?

Oh, the usual "I don't give an eff about this" deal. If you want to make a case for it, go right ahead, mon. I'm always for a second opinion.

With the question survey thing?

Yeah, sure.

I'm only going off what descriptions I've seen on the Internet (all of which are based on the demos), but I haven't been able to play what's available so far since I can't get it to work on my computer (even after following all instructions):

• When are the sex scenes located? The endings only.
• Are they spread out over the game? No, but the characters have at least a few moments where their clothes come off and there are scenes where the characters ship tease each other (I think).
• How much gameplay is there between sex scenes? I'm not sure what constitutes as gameplay in a visual novel.
• Are they only at the endings? So far, yes.
• How hard do you have to work to get an ending? Not hard, there are several bad endings for each route, so I would assume at least 2/3 of the game would have you avoid the sex scenes.
• Are they in every ending? Every good ending? Only the good endings.
• Are the sex scenes optional via a choice in the menu? Not sure.
• Would the story make sense without them with minimal or no rewriting? Yes. In fact, one of the greatest demands by the fandom, aside from official translation patches and getting all the routes done, is for the game to have optional hugging scenes and whatnot instead of sex scenes so that it could be more SFW.
• Are the scenes made up of stills, or are they animated? Stills.
• How explicit are the sex scenes? I don't remember if any of the stills were pixelated or not, and if so, which ones, but during regular scenes, the characters have Barbie Doll Anatomy (except in the case of the dragon Tatsuki, who hides his schlong in his... cloaca?).

I have just two questions:

• As to pedoshit, are we able to confirm what ages or school grades they are in? As far as I know, the only lead we have on that is that the characters that can have sex in-game are all high schoolers.
• I forgot this question, so I'll ask it when I remember.

By the way, I wouldn't mind if we got rid of the Morefuyu page—it's non-canonical and is half-filled with sex or the conversation of (the latter via the second of the three stories).

If anything, I think Morenatsu should be kept locked, watched, and cleaned since the game hasn't been fully released yet.

I read a couple chapters of the light novel and watched several episodes of the anime for High School DXD over the weekend, and while its pretty fanservicey and has a fair amount of partial nudity (including in the anime's OP, even) and sexual humor, it doesn't look like it meets the criteria of "primarily porn" or "pedophile pandering."

All of the characters are 2nd-3rd year high school students (so 16-18?), there is no explicit sex, and the youngest looking character (who also appears naked in the OP) doesn't meet the "drawn to be an apparent child" threshold to me... she just has smallish breasts in comparison to the ridiculous size of the female lead. I've voted to keep this one.

edited 22nd May '12 6:10:49 AM by Meeble

@Catalogue: I and Pyrite discussed about Esper Mami on pages 123-24. My opinion was negative at first but upon further discussion and research, I became neutral and decided to leave it to P5's judgement. I agree that, while not negating the art modeling part, that entry should be corrected because it made it seem like the series was centered on it.

Since you hadn't time to check the forums, I extend the plead to not waste time with Death Panda and Waita Uziga for your sanity, and give the third devil so that we can be done with them. [oh, nevermind. I now see that they were cut, even if they aren't shown as resolved because the cut was done before any third devil]

edited 22nd May '12 7:17:21 AM by GendoIkari

As far as Morenatsu goes, they're all Japanese high school age which puts them all at 16 minimum.