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Edited by SeptimusHeap on Sep 10th 2022 at 11:50:32 AM
The show not being pornographic does not stop it from being any less absurd or creepy. I find there being two pages worth of pictures of her on anime fanservice, just by searching the show and the creator, to not paint it a very nice picture either.
v Yeah, that's what I forgot. And the only review I found of it, at least to me, seems like its really trying to not make it come off as weird, but oh well.
edited 20th May '12 4:34:06 PM by BlackDove
I'm the person who flagged it. Anyway, the main character despite her appearance has themind of a child. So, she doesn't act or think like an actual highschooler.
How is it played?
Is it: "Cool, she's underage but doesn't look it, so we can fantasize about sex with a young girl without feeling guilty"
Or is it: "This girl is younger than she looks and this causes extremely uncomfortable situations, highlighting the importance of treating a child as a child even if she looks older."
Or is it somewhere in between those extremes?
If it's the former it ought to be zapped. If it's the latter, then I guess it ought to be reviewed.
It's the former.
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It's certainly creepy and I have no attachment to the page since I've never even heard of this before, but is it creepy for actual pedophile reasons? Weren't we going by appearance? Have I slightly misunderstood the goals of the P5, perhaps?
edited 20th May '12 4:49:49 PM by Arha
From what I've been told by someone who sees it, it's very funny, but it's undeniably a young girl being sexualized in ways that are inappropriate for this wiki.
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Hm, with all that in mind... sorry, guys, but I'm gonna have to give it a devilhead. Sexualized children, even if they don't physically look the part, ain't cool.
edited 20th May '12 5:16:44 PM by Komodin
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Yup, I agree with zapping.
Frankly I find it even more disturbing than Older Than They Look
Yeah, I agree. If she was actually the age she looked it would be one thing. The reality is just disturbing.
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I don't know. If Older Than They Look isn't a good defense against deletion, then I would think Younger Than They Look wouldn't be an good argument for deletion. But it's your decision.
Really? Why is that? Both are effectively the same thing. They're sexualizing children, just from opposite ends.
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When it comes to works with characters who are Younger Than They Look, I take the overall mannerisms of said characters in account for my vote. For instance, the reason why I wouldn't give, say, My Life As A Teenage Robot, a devilhead is because*, despite the eponymous robot girl being chronologically five years old, she is built to be a robot teenager and she actually acts like one. With Yoiko, on the other hand, she is and actually acts like a ten-year-old, despite her adult body. Coupled with the sheer amount of fanservice involving her and... the choice is pretty obvious here, yuh?
edited 20th May '12 5:39:49 PM by Komodin
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I don't even see it as necessarily that: Either way they both involve people that look young and can easily be written in a way that (at least for these cases) results in needless sexualization. It's not the "trope" itself, it is what is done with them.
edited 20th May '12 5:39:31 PM by BlackDove
So my gut was right. Younger Than They Look can be as objectionable as Older Than They Look when it comes to child sexualization.
I'm not crazy, I just don't give a darn!
It can be when they're below the teen threshold. Once again, it's case by case and how the work plays it.
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Precisely.
Now, what should we do with Kanokon? I'm not gonna read this shit again, so someone else's gotta take the fall.
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Until further notice
I think the main issue is that when you start talking about fantastic scenarios (artificial aging, robots, demons, etc.), chronological age is no longer a good-enough surrogate for physical / mental maturity (both of which should be present in order to qualify as being relatively "safe", IMO). As far as relatively-mundane characters are concerned, though, chronological age should be taken into account since these can be compared to our Real Life frames of reference.
edited 20th May '12 5:45:39 PM by Pyrite
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I know everyone's hung up on Yoiko and other works at the moment, but would it hurt to give some insight on Morenatsu (seeing as it has two devilheads and no discussion area)?
edited 20th May '12 5:46:02 PM by Enzeru
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Well, it's that being against the sexualization of characters who aren't children but look it makes it sound more like we're against the sexualization of child-like bodies, not the sexualization of a child's mind-set. Actually, I think the idea of a adult-looking but child-acting robot or some such was brought up at one point, but I don't remember what was said.
Anyway, does she act her age, or the age she appears?
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Kanokon is... undeniably fanservicey to the point of making me want to put my head through a wall.
But it's not pornographic, and all the relevant characters are at least the minimum legal age...I think.
...I hope.
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Just wanting a clarification of 5p's stance on younger then they look,
because if its just as problematic as older the they look we are going to need to know how to deal with android and robot characters,
example kos-mos from xenosaga looks 18 (according to the manual) with the version in the game abut 2.
She acts her age, and both forms of sexualization are not something we need on the wiki unless it is something like Lolita.
^^ Nozomu "looks 13-15", and Kouta is in high school, at least first year.
edited 20th May '12 5:52:27 PM by BlackDove
I know we discussed Kanokon earlier. Did we come to any sort of conclusion?
Anyway, I only read the first 15 chapters of the manga. I remember little of it except that there was a lot of fanservice and the protagonist looked awfully young.
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because if its just as problematic as older the they look we are going to need to know how to deal with android and robot characters,
example kos-mos from xenosaga looks 18 (according to the manual) with the version in the game abut 2.
Does she acts like a human 18-year-old? Just askin', since I haven't played Xenosaga in a while.
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On the subject of Kanokon. I haven't watched the anime, but from I've seen and read, it looks on roughly the same level as Eiken.
I read some of the manga once and it wasn't as bad, but I could look though it if needed.
She acts like an emotionless killing machine with black box software(odd quirks),
But that was just the first example I could think of.
Apparently there's no sex, but the fact that she's supposed to be a fifth grader is the big issue. If she was actually a high school student with the same personality it would be a no-brainer to keep.
Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick