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Okay. At time of writing, I've read the first 26 scanlated chapters of Lotte no Omocha (all that are accessible so far) and watched all 12 episodes on Crunchyroll (but not the OVAs). And it's way past my bedtime, so I'll give a brief summary of the points for and against, from my POV. Bear in mind that I have not watched Lotte no Omocha until today and am commenting from a neutral standpoint.

Premise: Problematic, as previously mentioned. 10-year-old succubus needs to Mate or Die (eventually) and a man is summoned from Earth to do the job. To complicate matters, he's the father of her half-sister by the same mother. (EDITED for clarity and spoilers.)

Manga:

• Targeted at the seinen demographic (serialised in a seinen magazine).
• Moderate amounts of crude / sexual humour, some of which involves the underaged characters (e.g. penis / breast jokes and the occasional flasher). This is generally played for comedy and as far as I recall, none of the underaged characters are actually put in clearly sexual situations... with one exception. (See later.)
• The issue of Lotte requiring semen is brought up at regular intervals; no actual or intimated sexual activity has actually taken place. The main character is not keen on the idea, although he admits some degree of affection. An argument can be made for an Electra Complex-type of situation.
• The relationship between Lotte and Naoya is treated as a Precocious Crush with some reciprocation, mixed with paternal instinct (which is a whole different can of worms on its own, but I digress), and remains chaste. No overt sexual aspects of the relationship noted.
• It's shown that Asuha's mother seduced Naoya when she was 18 and he, 13. The act itself is not shown.
• There is some artwork that may be interpreted as age-inappropriate and catering to paedophiles. It is not the predominant focus of the work.

Anime:

• Aired on multiple channels and is currently streamed openly on Crunchyroll (with English subs) by Kadokawa.
• Contains a few sexual references (less than the manga). Brief references to panties and breasts.
• The issue of Lotte requiring semen is rarely mentioned (usually in passing as part of a joke); the matter is generally ignored for the bulk of the series.
• The relationship between Lotte and Naoya is treated as a Precocious Crush with some reciprocation, mixed with paternal instinct. Aside from the odd reminder (see previous point), the relationship is chaste and any mention of sexuality is regarded as inappropriate.
• It is implied that Asuha's mother seduced Naoya when he was 13. This is mentioned in passing.
• Very small amount of potentially paedo-pandering content; the worst of it is in Episode 10 (1 prolonged underaged panty shot and a couple of brief shots of the girls dressed in age-inappropriate outfits), with the remainder containing next to no similar content (not even the Beach Episode was played for fanservice). And potentially one or two of the EyeCatches, but they're blink-and-miss.
• The predominant theme of the anime is on the importance of friends and family; there is no mention of pre-teen sexuality apart from the original premise (mentioned above), and potentially-titillating material is limited to the pubescent / post-pubescent characters.

Personal opinion: I would propose keeping (clean and lock if needed), if no other reason to reject it can be found, because of the sanitised anime version that gets rid of most of the paedophilic undertones.

Please let me know if I have misrepresented anything.

Arcade: I suspect so too.

edited 2nd May '12 6:35:58 AM by Pyrite

What would be your US rating?

I don't know, I'm not from the US, and I'm not a very good judge. Certainly, the manga would receive a higher rating than the anime - as a wild guess, I'm thinking M-18 for the manga and NC-16 for the anime, but this is taking the work as a whole into account - as mentioned, the premise is the most problematic (and an example of how you can have two differing outcomes from the same premise, depending on the adaptation).

EDIT: Again, I'm pretty bad at ratings - perhaps it might actually be stricter under our local rulings, but I can't say for sure.

edited 30th Apr '12 5:36:39 PM by Pyrite

Neither of those are ratings.

I think the closest American rating for the Anime would be TV-14. And for the Manga, 16+, since other similar mangas are given that rating.

edited 30th Apr '12 1:31:56 PM by strawberryflavored

They are where I come from - like I said, I'm not from the US, and I don't have a good grasp of specific film rating criteria.

edited 30th Apr '12 1:33:28 PM by Pyrite

He did say he's not from the U.S., so that could very well be the rating system in the country Pyrite is from. I think he'd probably do better if he compared it to U.S. rating systems though.

Edit: Ninja attack!

edited 30th Apr '12 1:32:11 PM by TotemicHero

It's a seinen? As in, targeted toward adult men? No, that's not creepy at all...

I was under the impression that he was trying to pick American ratings. I didn't realize he was using local ratings.

Sorry for the We All Live in America . Bunny Drop is aimed at adults as well. Apparently parenting a cute child is a common fantasy.

edited 30th Apr '12 1:35:01 PM by animeg3282

As in, targeted toward adult men? No, that's not creepy at all...

I don't think anyone ever claimed that the primary audience of Lolita, either the book or the film versions, was 13 year olds.

edited 30th Apr '12 1:35:47 PM by Catbert

The seinen demographic is generally regarded as targeting males aged 18-30; the anime adaptation is definitely toned down. (And of course, demographic does not necessarily indicate content, but that's another story.)

Bluelinking Seinen. It's a mainstream demographic designation, the older brother of shonen.

Those are Singaporean ratings Pyrite is using, and they're also quite a bit stricter than the ratings in the US, as blasphemous material is no longer given much consideration in the ratings process and our rules on sex and violence aren't as strict.

R in the US can contain content that would be in all of the top three categories in Singapore and even some things that couldn't play there at all, but with the caveat that younger children (under 17) are still allowed to attend with a parent or guardian present. It's also the highest rating most mainstream cinemas in the US will show; NC-17 and unrated films don't see much screen time anymore outside of art-house cinemas.

Probably the same reason I (and some other males) enjoy reading the webcomic Selkie.

Note to self: Put Selkie in the proper namespace sometime soon.

edited 30th Apr '12 1:37:36 PM by TotemicHero

Also, it's 4.30 am in Singapore and I need my sleep. Please try not to crucify me in effigy in the meantime.

No promises.

Petitioning for Playboy, which is famously softcore and famous for, well, the articles. I cited it in an essay in college that wasn't even about sex.

Looking at resolved votes, I thought it was listed for cutting.

edited 30th Apr '12 2:28:58 PM by HersheleOstropoler

The article is still there, Hershele. —;

Playboy is just locked. Not all articles are being cut, just a lot of them.

edited 30th Apr '12 2:32:57 PM by Arha

Why are we not listing the non-porn tropes?

Bunny Drop is aimed at adults as well. Apparently parenting a cute child is a common fantasy.

Not a great example. The ending of that story is creepy as fuck. Once she grows up, they hook up.

She's of age by then and they aren't related. Creepy, maybe, but not pedo-pandering.

No, not really.

edited 30th Apr '12 2:56:05 PM by encrypted12345

Though you can see why using that manga as an example with which to defend Lotte might... backfire, right?

Okay, so the illegitimate daughter of your own grandfather is not related to you? (I haven't read the work, just our page on it.)

Honestly, I'm on the lenient side, but I'd advise against defending works you know nothing about.

edited 30th Apr '12 2:56:10 PM by TotemicHero