This is not a site about the literary merit or historical importance of anything. It is a lighthearted site available to everyone in the family. We collect ingredients of storytelling. We can eliminate porn as a topic because we don't need porn to understand how tropes work.
There would be other classes of story we don't need, either, but those don't have all the hassle and creepiness that follows porn around.
edited 15th Apr '12 5:57:33 PM by FastEddie
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And for the moment, they aren't threatening ad revenue. I think.
You gotta get yourself some marble columns
So I — or someone more hostile and less interested in good faith — can simply declare something "pedoshit" and bypass this whole bothersome council process that might not even result in the page being cut?
"'Art' is just a word" it is, then?
edited 15th Apr '12 5:55:31 PM by HersheleOstropoler
The child is father to the man —Oedipus
If it's not too rude, may I ask what other classes of story that we "don't need?"
edited 15th Apr '12 5:56:15 PM by JoJoTrue
Bird mom
And what of all the arthouse films? I don't think most of them involve Peadophilia but are being cut without mercy.
The Crystal Caverns A bird's gotta sing.
Surfing the forums
Why is all the pedo shit getting deleted? Because it shouldn't be on the site anyway.
What is the clear definition of pedoshit? We don't have one yet and we might ever get one. But it's best we get the pedoshit off as soon as possible. We can salvage the works that aren't true pedoshit later.
Fuzzy Orange Doomsayer
Strictly speaking, we don't need any individual category. In fact, we could analyze a wide variety of tropes even if we exclusively had pages about science fiction and fantasy, and a less wide but still decent variety if we only discussed historical fiction. The question is whether the wiki is improved if we do discuss any given work.
That's Feo . . . He's a disgusting, mysoginistic, paedophilic asshat who moonlights as a shitty writer—Something Awful
Ok, we're beating a dead horse by saying "We should delete porn/pedo". Everyone knows that.
The question is why we're having this panic mode when the decision to determine the works hasn't even begun.
edited 15th Apr '12 5:57:07 PM by abstractematics
Now using Trivialis handle.
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Slash and burn. It might even be better to build from the ground up under the new rules than to dissect the old works to conform. Isn't that what is happening with the Fanfic stuff?
Do not be so quick to make foolish offers, Daemon. Araghast too once thought I would be an asset to his cause. Look what has become of him.
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@Fast Eddie: That seems to be a substantially stricter standard than suggested by the Family Friendly page. Is this wiki now going to be aimed at "all ages", rather than accepting analysis and discussion of mature works?
That would cause a firestorm I think no one wants to see...
edited 15th Apr '12 5:59:32 PM by JoJoTrue
Yeah, most of us aren't at all against removing things that are confirmed to be porn or paedo. We're just concerned about the process of identifying the crap and separating it from the non-crap.
Oppression anywhere is a threat to democracy everywhere.
Fuzzy Orange Doomsayer
The Nasuverse is already Trope Saturated. It would take a lot of time and effort to rebuild from the ground up, and it's just one of many pages.
edited 15th Apr '12 6:02:06 PM by feotakahari
That's Feo . . . He's a disgusting, mysoginistic, paedophilic asshat who moonlights as a shitty writer—Something Awful
If someone labels something pedoshit, and there is at least some evidence in that direction, you bet it will be cut. If this was a mistake, the panel can back out the decision.
Oh, and we are not the arbiters one way or the other of what constitutes art. We can spot storytelling. That's about it.
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Fix that before more people panic. I nearly had a heart attack.
edited 15th Apr '12 6:01:04 PM by encrypted12345
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Can we now add back the deleted work pages that were unlisted from the PRLC? Because it's guaranteed that none of them will return. Ever.
vigilantly taxonomish
Lolita was cut before any of this, as soon as the "zero-tolerance on paedophilia" policy was implemented. Every article on the hentai index was cut when Eddie decided we would not be hosting porn. Both these things happened before any statement was made regarding the cutlist, and they therefore do not belong to the category of works "still being cut".
To determine what should or should not be cut. The idea is not that they are overruling Eddie as such, it's that they are trusted to operate independently of him.
It can be assumed that anything he's cutting now is unambiguously unsuitable, or that the pages as they stand are sufficiently bad that it's not worth keeping them around.
Paedo wank material.
Because it's paedoshit, and shouldn't be on the wiki in the first place.
Paedoshit is not family friendly, pages which support paedophilia are absolutely inexcusable on ethical grounds, and they attract creeps who make the wiki very unpleasant for other tropers.
No, of course not.
Are you assuming that things are being cut thoughtlessly and without consideration?
edited 15th Apr '12 6:03:35 PM by BobbyG
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Bird mom
Anatomy of Hell may be terrible but as far as I recall the only characters were two adults. What "Evidence" of pedophilia was provided?
The Crystal Caverns A bird's gotta sing.
Fuzzy Orange Doomsayer
Assuming? No. Seeing? Yes. (Again, things have actually been cut for paedoshit that some people are saying don't even contain paedophilia.)
That's Feo . . . He's a disgusting, mysoginistic, paedophilic asshat who moonlights as a shitty writer—Something Awful
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Let me say this again. I know pedo, etc. needs to be removed.
My question is why we're in such a hurry to remove things that aren't even decided yet when there's no threat to our site. Isn't that why things are wrongly removed? The council will be the one to decide things, and those that need to be removed will be removed anyway.
edited 15th Apr '12 6:05:01 PM by abstractematics
Now using Trivialis handle.
Based on analyses that I've read and seen (haven't actually watched it, personally), I'd be hesitant to call it porn. Explicit, yes, but not porn. I may be wrong, though.
EDIT: You know, with the quickness of this discussion right now, I think I might just add an additional arrow...
edited 15th Apr '12 6:06:10 PM by JoJoTrue
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You're presuming the existence of the category "unambiguously unsuitable." I thought, again, suitability was the question this whole thing was meant to address. Anything anyone flags is something they think is unambiguously unsuitable.
edited 15th Apr '12 6:07:43 PM by HersheleOstropoler
The child is father to the man —Oedipus
Feo: Some people also said Kodomo no Jikan wasn't pedoshit. Just like someone saying something is pedoshit is hardly an instant cut, someone saying something isn't pedoshit isn't an instant restore. That's why we'll have an odd-numbered council, to avoid deadlocks.
"You fail to grasp the basic principles of mad science. Common sense would be cheating." - Narbonic
I think I might just add an additional arrow..
Don't even bother with arrows. Just quote or link what you are responding to or do an @Troper X.
edited 15th Apr '12 5:55:07 PM by encrypted12345
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