CERN Measures Neutrinos Travelling Faster Than Light

USAF, this thread isn't another math complaint thread. You've made your point enough times.

Imaginary mass is a way to describe a result that's abnormal (and assumed to be impossible) in special relativity.

I'm still waiting untill they realise that results are not results from this experiment, but experiment from two years into future.

aha!

We must have ridiculously good timing in the future then if the numbers are only off by such a small amount.

Numbers are off because one of the scientist brought his cat with him and it jumped on keyboard, causing experiment to run slightly earlier than it was supposed

they should have known better than to hire a Schrodinger.

edited 3rd Nov '11 3:05:40 AM by Lanceleoghauni

indeed.

Okay, my request to any person who posts here from now on:

No. Jokes

Only post if you have something substantial to add.

Which probably won't happen until someone makes sense (or nonsense, as it were) of these results.

But jokes keep this thread bumped, and this thread is how I'm staying up to date on the issue!

We really shouldn't say anymore jokes until we actually have new news.

"Add to your thread watchlist". Then wait for something to happen.

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=13216005820A39260100&page=1#3

http://cosmiclog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/11/17/8866223-faster-than-light-neutrinos-confirmed

It's achieved confirmation status and has become a full-scale debate: error in relativity vs error in experiment.

Holy shit.

Holy fucking shit.

Holy fucking Jesus Raptor shit on heavenly toilet.

TAKE THAT EINSTEIN!

Science Marches On.

Hold on! I hate to spoil the party but we've not confirmed it yet - just ruled out one potential area of errors. Check the BBC (can't easily link right now, on my phone£. The results are going to be verified by external parties in the USA and Japan.

This does make it being true mire likely, but we're not there yet.

Can any other site replicate these results? I thought CERN was the only one who could do SCIENCE at this level.

The Japanese built a secret copy of CERN deep below Mount Fuji, and the American military has an even more powerful accelerator that they aren't telling us about.

One of the few, but not quite the only.

CERN has some unique facilities, but fortunately enough, they don't seem to be involved in this particular experiment.

You owe me $200 Randall Munroe!

@Mygod: notsureifserious...

This provides some more realistic terms in which to frame the latest experiment. Don't try to cash in those bets yet.

I didn't mean that the confirmation was absolute. It simply means that a third party confirmed it and so there's more credibility. Either someone else has to argue against the experiment or the theory has to be changed.

But if this is true, the rewind potential in physics is huge. Special relativity was built with very rigorous logic. Therefore, if it's wrong, some fundamental axiom must be wrong. Maybe principle of relativity - belief that laws of physics, including speed of light, are invariant under different inertial frames - does not apply. Or maybe speed of light is not fixed by laws of physics after all, which means Maxwell's Equations are inaccurate, which would change electromagnetism. Someone could say that electromagnetism was wrong all along because it never accounted for relativistic effects when built.

edited 18th Nov '11 10:39:47 AM by abstractematics

Wasn't a third party, was the same team: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-15791236

They eliminated some possible sources of error, but other plausible sources, as well as many less likely ones, still remain. Assuming no possibility of error in the followup test, there are still plenty of ways that the neutrinos could turn out not to be traveling faster than light.