Removing Gushing from the Wiki

And the Fandom Rejoiced is Sugar Wiki, so I think gushing is fine there.

Edited by Primis on Mar 24th 2019 at 8:31:26 AM

This Troper, however, is not allowed anywhere.

The Avengers: Endgame YMMV page, as well as the Headscratcher page, have a lot of gushing and the Justifying Edit style of natter going on to deflect criticism/confusion.

Edited by lalalei2001 on Apr 27th 2019 at 6:38:15 AM

Deconstructor Fleet tends to be very gushy about works, and then we get stuff like "Astro City deconstructs EVERY SUPERHERO TROPE EVER. It does the Lois Lane, the Mook, the Crisis Crossover, the Anti-hero, the Legacy Character, heck, it deconstructs THE FREAKING JUSTICE SYSTEM. Unique in that it also reconstructs the classic hero as well"

I think I've brought this up somewhere else, but along those lines, I found a number of writeups on Unbuilt Trope fairly obnoxious about the 'deconstruction' is good thing.

And the Fandom Rejoiced is a little hard to read with all the gushing. I know that's part of the point, but I still think it could use cleanup.

Edited by MisterApes-a-lot on May 19th 2019 at 5:46:56 AM

Gushing is kinda expected on Sugar Wiki. Are there any specific examples you think need to be looked at?

Scooby-Doo on Zombie Island's description and some tropes are ridiculously gushy.

"Then, out of nowhere, came something totally unexpected. Children and parents everywhere stared in amazement at one thing: a trailer on VHS tapes of several Warner Bros. family films...

The trailer had sleek animation, dark colors, and featured a seemingly truly dark and potentially scary movie... and it featured Scooby-Doo and Shaggy running for their lives. The title; Scooby-Doo on Zombie Island. The tagline; This time, the monsters are real. It was short, but it was enough to send kids everywhere into a furor.

Cut to 1998. Parents and kids grab the video off of video and rental stores' shelves. They're expecting something fun, nothing more dangerous than the average Scooby mystery. To their horror-filled delight, the latter assumption turned out wrong.

With a warmly-received journey into relatively mature writing (partially helped by being a Dolled-Up Installment, see below), Zombie Island marked a – or, in some peoples' opinions, the – high point in the Scooby-Doo franchise. The film, as mentioned before, is beautifully animated – more so than any incarnation before and still unmatched today – with a literally dark and realistic feel to it. On top of that, it featured a somewhat cynical/mature look at what happened to Mystery Inc. after their adventures were done, which would be touched on again in The Movie, but with less success. Characters were more fleshed out and three-dimensional, especially the newly empowered Daphne. The irrelevant pop songs of past cartoons gave way to Alternative and Metal music. The story appealed to older viewers with honest-to-goodness death as part of the backstory, and the end result for the gang if they didn't win. And the best part of it all? No contrived story with a guy in a mask... just like the ads promised, they were Real. Stinkin'. Zombies. Probably the only complaint the movie generated was, "it's too scary for young Scooby fans.""

" Pragmatic Adaptation: Many would even contest that this is the best Scooby-Doo story ever. Hands down. And, as stated, it started out as an episode of a completely different series which had the darkness as standard fare."

" Darker and Edgier: When it first came out, this was the darkest interpretation of Scooby Doo in existence. It's still one of the scariest with Scooby-Doo! Mystery Incorporated being the only interpretation that could match it in darkness (and that's saying something!)."

Edited by lalalei2001 on May 21st 2019 at 11:23:34 AM

How do these changes look?

" Pragmatic Adaptation: Compared to the source material, a lot of the darkness had to be tuned down, with some planned elements (like the succubus) getting cut entirely."

Even then, I’m not sure just making a work Lighter and Softer qualifies as making a Pragmatic Adaptation.

" Darker and Edgier: When it first came out, this was the darkest interpretation of Scooby Doo in existence. Scooby-Doo! Mystery Incorporated is the only branch of the franchise that’s comparably dark."

You’d need someone more familiar with the work itself to redo the description, though.

Edited by ShinyCottonCandy on May 22nd 2019 at 8:19:05 AM

CLANNAD has a lot of gushing, especially on the YMMV page.

" Cliché Storm: Yes, Clannad is about as clichéd as they come. No, that doesn't make it any less wonderful an experience."

" Awesomeness Withdrawal: The fandom even has a term for it: "Post-CLANNAD Depression Syndrome". A lot of fans also say they have trouble finding anything comparable to CLANNAD after finishing the series. Many fans have latched on to Fairy Tail as a result of this oddly enough. This is because the characters Gray and Juvia have the same voice actors as Tomoya and Nagisa."

" Ass Pull: Arguably the ending, which to some people had absolutely zero foreshadowing and came out of nowhere to fix everything. But when you rewatch, there are hints in everything from small gags like Sanae's and Akio's "new names" for Tomoya to more important things like Nagisa's script to, oh, Kotomi's and Yukine's entire arcs."

" Angst Aversion: Those who have heard how depressing this series is tend to think twice before watching it, especially those who would rather watch a fun action flick."

" Hype Backlash: Some of this has developed thanks to a trend in some reviews to say something along the lines of "You don't like this, you have no soul.""

" Tear Jerker: Along with basically the entirety of Key's works, Clannad pretty much defines this trope by forcing a Break the Cutie moment on virtually every character and reducing every fan to complete sobbing wrecks by the end of the series. To say this series is sad is, well, pretty accurate, though to be fair it does have equally heartwarming moments which will also reduce you to a sobbing wreck."

" Most of the people who think the Reset Button Ending is cheap seem to be Westerners who might have different expectations for storytelling than Japanese viewers do."

YMMV.Pokemon Sun And Moon does too.

" What Do You Mean, It's for Kids?: Unsurprising considering the trend that Pokémon frequently takes, but with slightly more of a presence throughout. The Pokédex entries here are very dark and realistic, for example, many of them elaborate on the predator-prey relationship between Pokémon, whereas previous games and iterations of the franchise barely touched upon such things. Adding to that, the Big Bad of the game is surprisingly dark and twisted, guilty of several types of parental abuse, including emotional abuse, manipulation, and neglect to outright abandonment. Furthermore, Team Skull is a surprisingly cerebral deconstruction of the typical Pokémon evil team with goofy grunts, as it's revealed that they merely ended up that way due to their inability to find better lives and are only doing what they need to to survive."

Discotek Media's pages are incredibly gushy, and ti has a tropes list which is basically 'this is awesome'.

+Anima's pages are pretty gushy, especially the YMMV page.

Record of Lodoss War has a description that's very gushy, especially towards the OVA, reading like an advertisement or review:

Minion Quest: The Search for Bowser has quite possibly the gushiest, longest paragraph I've ever seen plus tons of copy-pasting the entire script for moments.

It also reads a little like someone has a grudge against everything besides the OVA, IMO. Seems like it could use a complete rewrite to be more factual and less of a review.

For any of you doing cleanup on pages you find, can you also cmd/ctrl+F "sugarwiki" and delete any links to those on objective trope and work pages, please? Though I wouldn't go so far as to say they're gushing, they're YMMV and don't belong on those pages.

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/YMMV/BackyardWrestling

Is there any reason for a YMMV page like this, where the only entry is Moment of Awesome, and it’s not even for a work, to exist?

Alright, I’ll submit it to the cutlist.

Edited by ShinyCottonCandy on Jul 22nd 2019 at 10:18:36 AM

Doesn't look like it. i think it could be safely cut.

...is that even tropable?

This part of the sixth paragraph on Sonic CD seems a bit gushy:

The first sentence might be able to stay, since that is a fairly common opinion. The rest though, not so much, especially not the bit about it being "the most innovative game of all time".

The second line could be merged with the first and expanded to say why it was so praised.

The first sentence is editorializing and doesn't belong on the main page.

I just went ahead and removed it altogether.

Fanfic.Titan Legends' description sounds too gushy.