Marvel Cinematic Universe

Never mind recruiting a child into a potentially lethal battle. Tony's not exactly covered in glory in Civil War.

There are two screws loose in that 'always keep Peter a kid' strategy: Andrew Garfield and Yuri Lowenthal.

Tony: I lost the kid!
Cap if he were as petty as Tony was: No one told you to bring the kid! You had him try to play keep away with aliens who kicked Thor and Hulk's asses. What's wrong with you?

That wasn't his fault.

Peter came along on his own.

...eh, never mind. Blaming Tony is more fun. Keep it up.

Peter would have died regardless of if Tony brought him along or not.

Edited by LordVatek on Jan 15th 2020 at 12:16:29 PM

Assuming the people the Snap randomly selected are set in fate, and it wouldn't be a totally random set of people in every separate timeline.

I wonder if Tasky might make a guest star appearance in the Winter Falcon providing he survives Black Widow.

Falcon & Bucky would be pretty much fighting Cap considering the Widow trailer shows Tasky has copied Caps style.

Edited by slimcoder on Jan 15th 2020 at 9:28:30 AM

Not even Tony Stark can predict which butterfly flaps will cause which tornados, so at the very least Peter's death is not on him.

Unless you count him failing to defeat Thanos in the first place, which is probably where the guilt comes from.

Edited by Anomalocaris20 on Jan 15th 2020 at 12:39:52 PM

Not even Tony Stark can predict which butterfly flaps will cause which tornados, so at the very least Peter's death is not on him.

Dr. Strange can. If, and this is a big if, the selection of who gets Snapped is truly random (presumably influenced by the most minor of actions of Stephen's part), then maybe it was important that everyone get Snapped in just the right way.

It seems he chose a timeline in which all the original six Avengers, plus a few with essential info like Nebula and Ant-Man, survived the Snap so Peter was in the grand scheme of things superfluous. Sorry, Petey.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Jan 15th 2020 at 10:05:51 AM

You had one job, Strange! One job!

@wanderlustwarrior There was also Scott wacking Rhodey with the wing of a plane, him messing around with Tony's armor which could have been fatal since he knows nothing about it and Wanda dropping several cars on Tony. Clint even calls her out on being excessive.

And Tony didn't bring Peter on the mission to space. Peter followed him against Tony's explicit instructions.

You saw nothing, that was an another alternate timeline.

I wish Gamora survived ;___;

If Tony wasn't all about recruiting, arming, and giving minimal supervision to a child, he wouldn't have the relationship with Peter that had the kid want to come along and prove himself.

Granted, Peter being Peter, he'd at very least have gotten off the bus and tried to help save civilians, or something.

Gamora survived. Just not the one that mellowed out, fell in love and had nice sister chats to bond over.

Edited by Zeromaeus on Jan 16th 2020 at 3:01:48 PM

She mellowed out towards Nebula anyway

Because Nebula had mellowed out towards her because of the sister chats she had with Gamora

It’s like new game+ speed running character development

Speaking of, it kinda amuses me how Thanos manages to feel like one continuous character because his past self reads the Sparknotes version of Infinity War and picks up where his future self left off.

That's one advantage of being single-minded.

Peter going into space has literally nothing to do with his death. Ganke didn't go into space and he died too.

That actually raises an interesting question about whether the Infinity Gauntlet's random selection is based on some manner of observable, consistent phenomenon or if it's some kind of hypothetical "true randomness".

I played a game recently called Outer Wilds (not to be confused with The Outer Worlds), which is very good and I highly recommend not reading the following spoiler and instead playing the game if you haven't.

The game features a time-looping space cannon. The goal is to find a thing that can only be located visually somewhere in space based on the rough estimate of it orbiting a particular star. the cannon chooses a random direction to shoot a scout probe. The probe travels in one direction as far as it can in the time allotted. Then the data it records is sent back in time, where the cannon chooses a random direction and fires for the first and only time again. This is to repeat on infinite loop, recording every shot until, by sheer probability, it randomly selects the correct direction.

The only reason this is able to work is because the random direction that it selects is not the same random direction each time. It's somehow tapping into a sort of true randomness, where even if all other circumstances are the same, a different RNG is determined every time.

Given that the Infinity Gems are a cosmic godlike things that transcend time and space, one wonders if the Snap runs on the same sort of true randomness. If so, then the people claimed by Snap in a parallel timeline might not even be the same people as the ones in the main timeline.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Jan 16th 2020 at 11:23:29 AM

Ganke got ganked.

That could also factor into why only ONE of all the possible futures resulted in the definitive victory so much had to go perfectly right to get that set of factors.

If the wrong people survived it would have never been undone.

So they needed a universe where Scott (who provided the means) Tony (who made those means viable) Natasha (who's sacrifice allowed them to get one of the stones they needed) Steve (who's faith in Tony was vital when it seemed things went off the rails), Nebula (who kept Tony alive and cause past Gamora's Heel–Face Turn) and probably Carol (who brought Tony and Nebula back which allowed their respective actions).

Anyone else I'm missing here?

Hulk

He’s shaped like a friend

but he's green,friendship isn't green!