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Welcome to the main discussion thread for the Marvel Cinematic Universe! I'm editing this OP and pinning it to establish some basic guidelines. All of the Media Forum rules still apply.

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[Edited by Fighteer]

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Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Fighteer on Dec 15th 2022 at 9:55:58 AM

TobiasDrake Queen of Good Things, Honest (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
Queen of Good Things, Honest
#109376: Sep 11th 2019 at 7:56:50 PM

I feel like there's a big divide between the fans who prefer Rogue as a sad teenager who can't touch other people without draining their life-force and the fans who prefer Rogue as a sexy Southern woman with Flying Brick powers. Both groups seem to think that their version of Rogue is the best version of that character.

Personally, I'm in the former group, but the ideal situation would be for Rogue to start with the former and transition into the latter through character development.

Meanwhile, comic readers are like, "Why are those the only options?"

Both of those reflect specific periods of the character's history, but Rogue's been through a ton of status quos. She CAN control her powers. She CAN'T control her powers. She has Carol's powers. She has the powers of everyone she's ever zapped. She has specific combinations of people she's ever zapped. She's angsty. She's badass. She's resigned. She's a leader. She's well-adjusted. She's haunted by psychic echoes of the people she's zapped.

There are like fifty million takes on Rogue in the comics. Power-wise, she's one of the least consistent characters in comic book history. Everyone has their own version of Rogue. Instead of rehashing one of the ones that's already been done, why not do a different one?

Edited by TobiasDrake on Sep 11th 2019 at 8:58:02 AM

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#109377: Sep 11th 2019 at 8:00:31 PM

I want a Rogue and Gambit movie/series, dammit. It will be a heist film / Screwball Comedy / Romantic Comedy.

Edited by alliterator on Sep 11th 2019 at 8:00:53 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: Aug, 2015
The Head of the Hydra
#109378: Sep 11th 2019 at 8:06:01 PM

Its hilarious how that Channing Tatum Gambit movie never materialized.

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Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#109379: Sep 11th 2019 at 8:10:24 PM

One time Jean Claude Van Damme was in the running to play Gambit.

That is the movie we truly needed.

Edited by Gaon on Sep 11th 2019 at 8:11:34 AM

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SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Love is Love is Love
#109380: Sep 11th 2019 at 8:18:04 PM

@Hail Muffins I meant Rogue stole Thor's powers, not Carol.

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RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#109381: Sep 11th 2019 at 8:21:26 PM

I feel like we're unlikely to get the depressed teenager version of Rogue, if for no other reason than the Fox X-Men movies already did it. We've seen with Spider-Man that, in creating their own version of the character, Marvel Studios has been like, "Everything the Sony movies did a lot, we need to not do", and I imagine a similar philosophy will guide adapting the X-Men.

Akirakan Since: Feb, 2015 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#109382: Sep 11th 2019 at 9:41:05 PM

Bring back goth Rogue from Evolution.

Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#109383: Sep 11th 2019 at 9:52:21 PM

I’m in the Southern Belle Rogue camp. Give her a Gambit to bounce off of and we can have a buddy comedy about two opposite people coming to terms with their powers...and each other.

Weirdguy149 The King Without a Kingdom from Lumiose City under development Since: Jul, 2014 Relationship Status: I'd jump in front of a train for ya!
The King Without a Kingdom
#109384: Sep 11th 2019 at 9:54:58 PM

I'd personally love a rowdier take on the usual Southern Belle Rogue, but with an X-Men: Evolution outfit style.

It's been 3000 years…
alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#109385: Sep 11th 2019 at 10:50:29 PM

When the X-Men finally show up in the MCU, I have a list of demands, I mean shows and movies I would love to see:

  1. Rogue and Gambit road trip/heist film/screwball comedy.
  2. Storm film about her meeting Yukio, finding the Morlocks, and fighting Callisto.
  3. Excalibur show, with a mixture of mutants and non-mutants, but it has to include Faiza Hussain played by Jameela Jamil.
  4. Dazzler musical comedy drama. Also starring Longshot and Mojo.
  5. And finally, a Logan and Laura show, a la Lone Wolf and Cub. They would go around taking out places that used their genetic code to clone and create weapons, finally in the end freeing the one clone that survived...Gabby!

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: Aug, 2015
The Head of the Hydra
#109386: Sep 11th 2019 at 10:52:13 PM

They really should reuse the girl who played Laura in Logan, what was her name & how old is she now?

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#109387: Sep 11th 2019 at 10:53:02 PM

I just hope they don't rehash the tired Love Triangle between Scott, Jean, and Logan.

Disgusted, but not surprised
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#109388: Sep 11th 2019 at 11:03:16 PM

A GOTG / X-Men crossover movie in which they fight Mojo. The whole thing gets meta as hell.

"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.
alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#109389: Sep 11th 2019 at 11:09:55 PM

They really should reuse the girl who played Laura in Logan, what was her name & how old is she now?
Dafne Keen and she's currently 14 years old, but she's also busy playing Lyra in the His Dark Materials show on the BBC. Plus, I'd love to see an Asian-American version of Laura, which is how she appeared in her early appearances.

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#109390: Sep 11th 2019 at 11:38:01 PM

I just hope they don't rehash the tired Love Triangle between Scott, Jean, and Logan.

Have the MCU movies ever done a love triangle?

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#109391: Sep 11th 2019 at 11:39:23 PM

Thank goodness, no. They are more fond of - to an annoying extent, sometimes - the ONE TRUE LOOOOVE angle.

Which comes with its own problems: fixatedly writing their female leads as love interests first and foremost and characters second has caused nearly all off them to suffer, for example.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Sep 11th 2019 at 11:40:50 AM

"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Oh, bother.
#109392: Sep 11th 2019 at 11:42:02 PM

The problem is that the Love Triangle between Scott, Jean, and Logan is something that a lot of writers for X-Men in the comics and adaptations think is important and has to be referenced all the time.

MCU writers might think that the Love Triangle is too important to their character arcs to toss out (but it's not).

It'd be refreshing if the MCU X-Men stuff steers clear of it entirely.

Edited by M84 on Sep 12th 2019 at 2:43:08 AM

Disgusted, but not surprised
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#109393: Sep 11th 2019 at 11:44:40 PM

I'd actually love it if we didn't get much Logan, Jean and Scott in general. They're central characters to the X-Men, but get all three of them together in a movie and there's so much urge to gravitate towards same damn plot over...

... and over...

... AND OVER...

... that's I'd rather cool it for a while, or better yet use the characters in a different way than we've seen them already. If we're going to have Wolverine, give us a Wolverine and Jubilee Buddy Adventure movie. Have a "coming of age with superpowers" movie with Scott and Havok. Give Jean a sci-fi solo movie where she meets the Shiar, while carefully never mentioning the Phoenix entity because not again.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Sep 11th 2019 at 11:46:57 AM

"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: Aug, 2015
The Head of the Hydra
#109394: Sep 12th 2019 at 12:04:26 AM

I swear I do not want to see Jean being turned into an object again for Wolverine to moan about like big hairy baby. Shit I’d love to see Jean fucking repulsed by Logan.

Ugh the Lost Lenore induced whining & complaining. It’s the language of baby’s I tell you what.

Name me a character who remains likable while complaining all the time about the woman he loved dying.

Edited by slimcoder on Sep 12th 2019 at 12:07:19 PM

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#109395: Sep 12th 2019 at 12:21:21 AM

[up]the other thing Is risking angst what angst?.

[up][up]my problem with reusing magneto in apocalipsis, it burn whatever goodwill i have on him.

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#109396: Sep 12th 2019 at 12:46:17 AM

Stunt actor Gui DaSilva-Greene talks about behind the scenes on stunts from The Winter Soldier and Civil War.

Hellbore Since: Dec, 2010
#109397: Sep 12th 2019 at 12:52:22 AM

Wait why would Laura be Asian-American? Isn't she Logan's clone?

AyyItsMidnight Ordinary Corrupt Android Love Since: Oct, 2018
Ordinary Corrupt Android Love
#109398: Sep 12th 2019 at 12:58:35 AM

For how much they contributed to the superhero genre, the X-Men movies have a helluva lot for the MCU to learn from. Giving proper depth and prominence to people who aren't Wolverine, Professor X, Xavier and Mystique, for one.

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#109399: Sep 12th 2019 at 1:13:37 AM

[up][up]Wolverine is such a weeaboo his very DNA got stained with it?

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jakobitis Doctor of Doctorates from Somewhere, somewhen Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
Doctor of Doctorates
#109400: Sep 12th 2019 at 1:14:56 AM

[up][up] only half. The other half (the genes that made her female) came from an Asian woman in the original comics IIRC. For her to be a "pure" clone she would have to be a Caucasian male but that's clearly not the case in Logan.

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