Marvel Cinematic Universe

Aside from the previously mentioned dragon in Ragnarok, there was also a dragon in Iron Fist, if that's still canon.

You probably shouldn't bring up Iron Fist.

It's still a sore point for a lot of people.

Rob, it’s not poison ivy. Bringing up a dragon from it will not cause everybody to go into a rash.

Now Inhumans, on tge other hand...

-slams fists down the table-

We do not speak of those monsters here

What would we even call such a medical condition? I feel like saying “I got Iron Fisted” gives off the wrong impression.

Metal poisoning.

x4 Uh... Is anyone else here starting to feel all itchy and... hive-y all of a sudden? Or is it just me?

Edited by TrashJack on Sep 11th 2019 at 5:55:48 AM

No, I don't feel like a tentacled-haired monster whom Hydra worships.

Speaking of the actual Hydra, Hercules would definitely be a cool addition to the MCU.

Ya know, fuccbois keep talking about how Carol's gonna get it now that Rogue is gonna be in the MCU, but none of them are making similar jokes about the fact that she also stole Thor's powers.

Wonder why that is.

Wait, since when Carol stole Thor's powers?

I dislike that the sexists who want Rogue to go up against Carol because they want her to get taken down a peg are overshadowing the people who want Mystique and Rogue to go up against Carol because it would make a good plot.

I wonder if this is how legit fans of Alita Battle Angel felt.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Sep 11th 2019 at 6:09:36 AM

I don't want Rogue to even come close to Carol because an affection starved teenager who's incapable of getting basic physical intimacy makes for great drama that would immediatelly be thrown away if they simply turned her into a generic Flying Brick with a southern accent.

Anyone here remembers X-Men: Evolution and their take on Rogue? Now that was cool.

I think Rogue would rock against Carol in large part because her relationship with Mystique is such a good comparison to Carol’s own relationship with the Kree - and life in general.

Characterize Rogue as a vulnerable teen with great power used and abused by a mother who fears / only cares about her for her power, who doesn’t want to do horrible things but fears she doesn’t have the inner strength to fight against them. Characterize Mystique as a cerebral villain - she has power but nowhere near enough to face Carol - who relies on Rogue to keep Carol at bay. Rogue here would be to Carol what someone like Metallo is to Superman: an enemy whose powers change the rules of the fight and prevent her from fighting directly.

So have Carol fight another way: form a relationship with Rogue throughout the plot, and ultimately win by convincing Rogue that Mystique needs her more than she needs Mystique, and that she has the strength to fight back.

Then at the end of the plot they go their separate ways as friends and allies, and maybe a stinger involving Mystique meeting other mutants to set up X-Men waaaay down the line.

It feeds very well into the themes in Captain Marvel of not letting the insecurities of others diminish who you are, and finding the strength within yourself to be better than the noise.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Sep 11th 2019 at 6:11:36 AM

I'd rather that happens with one of the X-Men, like Jean or Jubilee or Professor X or that one girl who turns into a fox that was gonna be played by Maise Williams.

Just as long as it isn't Wolverine. I like Wolverine, but I didn't sacrifice a hundred goats to Azazel so the MCU could re-use plot beats from the Fox movies.

Carol has her own little corner to screw around in, and more importantly, a teen superheroine to mentor. Leave the mutant stuff to the mutants, s'il vous plaît.

Nah lets some have some crossover on occasion.

Play with Wanda having a little Mutant in her.

There isn’t another character who fits that better. Lots of people forget that Rogue and Mystique began as Captain Marvel villains, and both Rogue’s powerset and her origins mesh the themes of Carol’s story better than any other X-Men or mutant they could choose - except maybe Scarlet Witch, who has already been adapted.

Leaving Mutant stuff to the mutants has lead to the isolating of the X-brand for far too long.

They are part of the universe: let them BE part of the universe.

Their isolation was by their own choice and more specifically the choice of Claremont

And raises the question on why the rest of the MU doesn't do anything about the usual bs happening to mutants or helping them out.

A question they could answer. Nothing's stopping them from doing so.

Hell, nothing's forcing them to have the characters do nothing, either.

Railing against it is a moot point anyway. We know for a fact at this point that Marvel's going to integrate the mutants with the rest of the MCU.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Sep 11th 2019 at 7:12:03 AM

"OH NO PROFESSOR X HAS BEEN SHOT WITH THE TECHNOORGANIC VIRUS! Should we ask Reed Richards for help?"
"Nah"

^ Actual, paraphrased comic book dialogue.

I feel like there's a big divide between the fans who prefer Rogue as a sad teenager who can't touch other people without draining their life-force and the fans who prefer Rogue as a sexy Southern woman with Flying Brick powers. Both groups seem to think that their version of Rogue is the best version of that character.

Personally, I'm in the former group, but the ideal situation would be for Rogue to start with the former and transition into the latter through character development.

@Carol and Rogue - the 90's cartoon did it best. Rouge was a Flying Brick who did have all the issues with (potentially) killing people she touches. Marvel's MCU creative team is waaaay better than Fox.

The comics had Dark Phoenix as a deconstruction of the "good girl goes bad" arc and the cartoon showed this as well - a genuine arc of character development.

Fox said "FIRE BIRDY COOOL!" and had Sophie Turner emote like she needs some laxatives while CGI artists cashed their paychecks animating "fire birdy".

Fox trying their hand at Ms. Marvel vs. Rouge? They wouldn't know what to do with a feminist paragon vs. the Iron Woobie.

So I think that if Rogue meets Capt. Marvel in the MCU, it will be either:

• later in the phase the X-men come in so they can make Carol turn into Binary.
• Temporary - Carol loses her powers till the final act and Rogue goes back to being emo.
• They may have a tease for the fans but ultimately drop it.

Edited by TairaMai on Sep 11th 2019 at 9:36:07 PM