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Welcome to the main discussion thread for the Marvel Cinematic Universe! I'm editing this OP and pinning it to establish some basic guidelines. All of the Media Forum rules still apply.

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[Edited by Fighteer]

    Original post 
Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Fighteer on Dec 15th 2022 at 9:55:58 AM

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#106751: Aug 13th 2019 at 10:00:20 AM

Isn't a bullet that explodes on impact just called a grenade?

HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#106752: Aug 13th 2019 at 10:05:21 AM

Granades don't drill themselves into a person's insides before blowing up, as a rule.

Edited by HailMuffins on Aug 13th 2019 at 2:05:33 PM

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#106753: Aug 13th 2019 at 10:11:25 AM

And then later in the season they had knock-off Judas Bullets that either drilled or exploded on impact, but never both. Lazy-ass bullets.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#106754: Aug 13th 2019 at 10:13:55 AM

I’m somewhat certain that armor piercing incendiary rounds were already a thing anyway

So it’s just a more ridiculous extrapolation of that concept

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HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#106755: Aug 13th 2019 at 10:16:00 AM

[up]x2 That's called inconcistency, a symptom of a horrible disease called Lazy Writing.

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#106756: Aug 13th 2019 at 10:54:09 AM

The weird bit is the Judas Bullets deriving from Chitauri metal. Because while the Chitauri did have some respectable firepower, they did not have respectable armor given arrows could pierce them with no problem.

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
Theokal3 Since: Jan, 2012
#106757: Aug 13th 2019 at 10:57:56 AM

I mean, until Luke's skin leveled up for no reason and they stopped working.

Actually, they do give a reason why Luke's skin leveled up: the acid bath he went through to remove the first one caused his skin to adapt and improve, making him more resilient than before; Which I can buy, at least by comic book logic. And I am glad they did that, because Judas Bullets were a stupid idea that went directly under the concept of the show. What's the fucking point of having a bullet-poof hero if there are widely available bullets that can actually harm him?

Edited by Theokal3 on Aug 13th 2019 at 7:59:56 PM

HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#106758: Aug 13th 2019 at 11:01:29 AM

[up]To even out the playing field before they introduce other superpowered folks that can fight on Luke's level, giving the bad guys a fighting chance?

dmcreif from Novi Grad, Sokovia Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: Robosexual
#106759: Aug 13th 2019 at 11:02:07 AM

I wonder if it should be pointed out that the Netflix auction stuff means nothing insofar as whether or not a revival is possible of the cancelled shows from that corner. Do not take the selling off of show items as a sign against future revival.

The important thing to take into consideration is that these items were designed specifically for the Netflix iterations of the shows. Since Netflix clearly has no intention of ever bringing the shows back, there is no reason for Netflix or Marvel to hold on to them indefinitely. Plus, various individuals who've worked on these shows and/or have knowledge of industrial norms have said that it's normal to redo costumes and props every year, and these would have to obviously be redesigned if a different network / studio picks up the shows.

It'd also be a mistake to reboot the shows/recast the characters. It would be insulting to the talented cast and crew who gave us the seasons we got. And Jeph Loeb mentioned last year that they had plans for at least three more seasons of Daredevil, so the ideas are there. The adventure isn’t finished. There are so many stories left to tell with this cast. And seeing as One Day at a Time got a revival on another network after Netflix cancelled them too (all of these cancellations Netflix has been doing in the last year seem to be a product of the streaming wars / Netflix's massive debts), a revival at Hulu wouldn't be out of the question. What matters with the campaigns, like #SaveDaredevil and others, is convincing Marvel and Disney to make some serious and rather aggressive moves to get the shows released from the two year Netflix freeze. Which probably means lots of money on the table, lawyers sitting down and negotiating, etc.

The cold never bothered me anyway
Theokal3 Since: Jan, 2012
#106760: Aug 13th 2019 at 11:08:10 AM

To even out the playing field before they introduce other superpowered folks that can fight on Luke's level, giving the bad guys a fighting chance?

yeah, see, that's the problem: It doesn't do that. The Judas Bullets don't just allow to hurt Luke Cage. They actually are as lethal to him as normal bullets are to regular humans, if not more. A single of these things was enough to put him out of commission for several episodes, and they needed a dangerous procedure of acid bath to heal him— something they obviously wouldn't have all the time. In other terms, they flat-out cancel the advantage given by his powers. And if his power is of no more use, then you might as well watch a show about a non-powered protagonist who is vulnerable to normal bullets. And while giving a protagonist enemies who can match is good, creating something that makes his superpower flat-out useless isn't. If the bad guys can hurt him just fine as long as they get the right bullet, they no longer have reason to fear him more than the average cop.

Worst, we knew, again, that he wouldn't have an acid bath available at all time, so we knew he wouldn't get hit by another bullet for the rest of the season anyway.

Edited by Theokal3 on Aug 13th 2019 at 8:10:09 PM

Tuckerscreator (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Drift compatible
#106761: Aug 13th 2019 at 11:46:12 AM

*re-checks auction*

Five Judas Bullets (and briefcase) sold for $3300, Diamondback's supersuit sold for $8250.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Aug 13th 2019 at 11:46:49 AM

Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#106762: Aug 13th 2019 at 11:50:08 AM

Check out the live auction here.

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SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
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#106763: Aug 13th 2019 at 11:50:53 AM

Oh, cool, now someone gets to look like a pimp stormtrooper.

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#106764: Aug 13th 2019 at 11:52:09 AM

Yeah, the one that included the actual helmet sold last night, alas.

...I wanted it. sad

Edited by Anomalocaris20 on Aug 13th 2019 at 2:52:30 PM

You cannot firmly grasp the true form of Squidward's technique!
Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#106765: Aug 13th 2019 at 3:00:31 PM

I bid on Scythe's naginata, but the price ramped up too high so I backed out.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#106766: Aug 13th 2019 at 3:03:32 PM

I considered bidding on that or the fake newspapers

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Nightwire Humans inferior. Ultron superior. Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
Humans inferior. Ultron superior.
#106767: Aug 13th 2019 at 9:21:34 PM

I mean, until Luke's skin leveled up for no reason and they stopped working.

Duh, Luke's Power Level went up after a near-death experience because he's a Saiyan.

Bite my shiny metal ass.
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#106768: Aug 13th 2019 at 9:25:26 PM

"I've got to fight Thanos one-on-one, Jessica. My Saiyan pride!"

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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#106769: Aug 13th 2019 at 9:39:34 PM

How hilarious would it be if Luke's favorite DBZ character was Vegeta while Diamondback's was Goku?

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#106770: Aug 13th 2019 at 9:42:58 PM

But Killmonger's favorite is Vegeta

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Nightwire Humans inferior. Ultron superior. Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
Humans inferior. Ultron superior.
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: Aug, 2015
The Head of the Hydra
#106772: Aug 13th 2019 at 9:46:05 PM

I tell you what, you could do a lot better than Vegeta as your favorite character.

That guy is a legit baby. He’s always whining & throwing tantrums. tongue

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#106773: Aug 13th 2019 at 9:46:54 PM

Is that why he hated Broly? Because it was like looking into an hyperbolic time mirror?

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#106774: Aug 13th 2019 at 9:58:39 PM

[up][up]

Fortunately, Vegeta made sure his own son wasn't as much of a dick as he is...

...in one timeline. In the other, he just died and Trunks was even more polite.

One Strip! One Strip!
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: Aug, 2015
The Head of the Hydra
#106775: Aug 13th 2019 at 9:59:29 PM

[up][up] Pretty much.

Broly makes him feel inadequate........ scratch that everyone makes him feel inadequate.

Man is always compensating for something.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."

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