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Welcome to the main discussion thread for the Marvel Cinematic Universe! I'm editing this OP and pinning it to establish some basic guidelines. All of the Media Forum rules still apply.

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[Edited by Fighteer]

    Original post 
Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Fighteer on Dec 15th 2022 at 9:55:58 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: Aug, 2015
The Head of the Hydra
#92726: Dec 19th 2018 at 8:08:53 AM

Oh that was what American Dad referenced that time Steve & Jeff played that fantasy MMO.

Edited by slimcoder on Dec 19th 2018 at 8:09:14 AM

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#92727: Dec 19th 2018 at 11:39:41 AM

I kind of want to see this…but not really...and yet….

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#92728: Dec 19th 2018 at 11:46:50 AM

That was great. It's just a montage of people showing up at the door. Some of them have people missing from their groups, for easily deducted reasons.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Dec 19th 2018 at 12:47:13 PM

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#92730: Dec 19th 2018 at 11:49:46 AM

[up] I get the former. You can bet on TC jumping in the spotlight at the first opportunity.

PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#92731: Dec 19th 2018 at 11:52:11 AM

I dunno, especially since the Ninja Turtles are in DC. Then again, Marvel and DC share a continuity in HISHE. Real sad how all of Donatello's brothers died in the Snap, though.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#92732: Dec 19th 2018 at 11:57:08 AM

The gag about the Fantastic Four mysteriously missing the Human Torch (since both of them are now in the MCU, and one of them is dead) was hilarious.

"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.
PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#92733: Dec 19th 2018 at 12:40:49 PM

I'm gonna stop spoiler-tagging a 3-minute long gag video, alright? It's been long enough to watch it.

[up]One's dead, the other's the person they're talking to.

Also, it's really dark that Dash and Bob were Snapped, and I like it.

Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Dec 19th 2018 at 1:42:38 PM

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#92734: Dec 19th 2018 at 1:45:24 PM

One thing which bothers me...they forgot Robby Reyas!

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#92735: Dec 19th 2018 at 1:46:29 PM

I think you mean Robbie Reyes. And they also forgot Quake and the Agents of SHIELD.

Edited by alliterator on Dec 19th 2018 at 1:46:41 AM

Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#92736: Dec 19th 2018 at 1:54:19 PM

[up] Well, I assume they are still off looking for Fitz.

Forenperser Foreign Troper from Germany Since: Mar, 2012
Foreign Troper
#92737: Dec 19th 2018 at 1:56:05 PM

And then they got Thanos'd away mid-searchgrin

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Swanpride Since: Jun, 2013
#92738: Dec 19th 2018 at 3:02:05 PM

An interesting analysis of the marvel posters...there is actually a little bit more to them than I thought...

HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#92739: Dec 21st 2018 at 9:25:44 AM

Winston Duke definitely deserves an award for playing a Scary Black Man who hoots like a gorilla and is literally called "the Man-Ape" in the comics, and making the audience go "THIS GUY IS AWESOME AND THE BEST CHARACTER EVER" instead of just coming across like a super-racist caricature.

...I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not.

Btw, Character Development =/= Character Progression. To develop a character is to make it three-dimensional, to flesh it out, to make the audience see all its sides and what makes them tick. You don't need to make a character change in the course of a story to do all that.

Hell, there's an entire genre that has existed for millennia that relies on its protagonist not changing, it's called Tragedy, which has some of the most lauded works of Western Literature and Infinity War borrows from it pretty liberally it to build its version of Thanos.

But YMMV and all that jazz.

Edited by HailMuffins on Dec 21st 2018 at 2:26:44 PM

TobiasDrake Queen of Good Things, Honest (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
Queen of Good Things, Honest
#92740: Dec 21st 2018 at 3:28:18 PM

...I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not.

No, I'm serious. When I first heard that The Man-Ape was going to be in Black Panther, I was horrified. Marvel's first movie starring a black superhero will pit him against another black guy who is a hooting monkey-man. Great. Good job, Marvel. F*cking nailed it.

But then the film came out and M'Baku easily stole every scene he was in. Winston Duke's performance was great and the film made excellent use of his character without ever seeming offensive or racist about it. He even became the Ensemble Dark Horse with fans falling madly in love with him.

Somehow, against all odds, The Man-Ape wound up being one of the film's best and most beloved characters.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Dec 21st 2018 at 4:28:36 AM

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HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#92741: Dec 21st 2018 at 3:38:37 PM

Hmm, I know it's easy to say it now, after the fact and all, but I was never troubled by M'Baku showing up in the film because Ryan Coogler has the last say on which characters show up, and I doubt someone as politicized as him would fuck it up on the starting line.

I mean, while I love Black Panther, thus far it hasn't showed itself to be exactly an essential part of the greater story of the MCU, which most likely means that Ryan didn't need to work around it while making the movie.

unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#92742: Dec 21st 2018 at 3:39:22 PM

[up]So in short: "Great. Good job, Marvel. F*cking nailed it."

I will guess that is what happen when you led a Minority in direction and wrinting roles, they can do wonderfull things even with bad ideas.

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Ultimatum Disasturbator from Second Star to the left (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
Disasturbator
#92743: Dec 21st 2018 at 3:44:55 PM

In another reality Marvel had a man dressed in a Gorillia suit,the head comes off in the end to reveal

Jonah Jameson?

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HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#92744: Dec 21st 2018 at 3:48:44 PM

The greatest strength of the never-ending storytelling of comics (and the MCU) is that bad ideas can be redeemed later on. Just look at the Winter Soldier or the recently introduced Fem!Thor note  and Ironheart .

Of course, the other side of that coin is that perfectly good ideas can be completely shat upon later, which seems to be happening more and more frequently ever since the turn of the millennium, but still, it's an undeniable plus.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from Second Star to the left (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
Disasturbator
#92745: Dec 21st 2018 at 3:51:11 PM

Civil War is near unrecognisable to comic it's based off,which is for the best really

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HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#92746: Dec 21st 2018 at 3:55:58 PM

Neither is Logan to Old Man Logan: beyond the argument of "Logan being old and decrepit" and it being a road movie, which is for the best: Old Man was a so-so comic, which severely suffered from the inherent silliness of comic books.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#92747: Dec 21st 2018 at 3:57:17 PM

Just look at the Winter Soldier
Whoa whoa whoa, the Winter Soldier storyline the comics by Ed Brubaker was amazing. If anything, the movie didn't do it justice, even though the movie was good.

And, personally, I liked both the female Thor and Ironheart when they showed up, even if I know other fans didn't.

Edited by alliterator on Dec 21st 2018 at 3:57:53 AM

HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#92748: Dec 21st 2018 at 4:05:29 PM

[up]Oh, the idea behind Ironheart is great, but BMB just shat all over with his shitty writing, the only kind he's capable of doing nowadays .

And I should've clarified: the Winter Soldier is the redemption of Bucky Barnes, a character so well-written he contributed more to the story being dead than being alive.

As for Fem!Thor, well at first the character or even the writing was not the problem, it's just that the way Whosit Aaron introduced her seemed to be deliberately going out of its way to slap fans of OG!Thor in the face.

Later on I calmed down, gave her a chance and was pleasantly surprised with the lass, but if the MCU ever puts her on-screen, I would very much prefer if they completely rewrite the introduction from the ground up.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#92749: Dec 21st 2018 at 4:32:24 PM

Later on I calmed down, gave her a chance and was pleasantly surprised with the lass, but if the MCU ever puts her on-screen, I would very much prefer if they completely rewrite the introduction from the ground up.
I don't know if they could introduce her now that Mjolnir is dust. Although if they did, I would want it to be with a completely new character — a nurse who also just happens to be named Jane Foster (hey, it's a common name) — because I don't think Natalie Portman's character is coming back and she really wasn't that interesting anyway.

But I would like to see Jane Thor in the MCU if they can do it. Seeing the interplay between cancer-stricken Jane and Thor was pretty damn awesome.

HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#92750: Dec 21st 2018 at 4:33:31 PM

Hey, good enough excuse to give Sif Stormbreaker, then.


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