Split, rename (Crowner changed August 21st): Tenchi Solution

This quite clearly covers two highly opposed endings sharing only a common element and possibly a third ending that seems like a subtype of one of the earlier two. These endings are the character picks everyone, which is the current common usage and the other ending is that the character picks no one or rejects the situation entirely. People only seem to refer to this trope as the former. Thus, we should probably split the trope.

Now, along with that is the issue of the name. Wouldn't this be a good time to give it a more indicative main title such as swapping with the redirect Marry Them All?

I think it's a good idea to change it. First, because not everybody knows what a "Tenchi" is; and second, because I have recently learned that the canon of the Tenchi series is not actually an example of this "Tenchi solution".

Also, I like the name "Marry Them All".

Definitely swap with the redirect.

Technically, Tenchi has to be an example since the trope covers both not making a choice and choosing them all. However, I assume you mean he doesn't hook up with all of them which is not technically true. It just doesn't happen in the show itself but rather with Word of God manual kind of material.

I really think the split decision is more important then the rename. We can pick the names after we decide which pages are being created.

Let's make Marry Them All about the Exactly What It Says on the Tin solution and then work on a split for the complementary trope... maybe Marry None Of Them?

I support.

The other one is about ambiguity. Marry None Of Them may be taken as "choose to take none" or even Take a Third Option.

^^ That's an excellent idea.

Well, the "rejects the situation" outcome still falls under Marry None Of Them, right? If he/she ends up hooking up with a specific girl/guy and rejects all the others, we have tropes to cover that one too.

Anyway, all these outcomes can be organized under Love Dodecahedron, which remains the supertrope or at least the "parent".

edited 5th Aug '11 4:52:23 PM by Fighteer

Do we really need to even bother having a crowner over the split? It seems really, really obvious. Should we just go on to a crowner about the name in that case? Or should we try and think up more names?

edited 5th Aug '11 4:57:51 PM by Arha

Well, the obvious question is: how did the previous thread on Tenchi Solution go so horribly wrong if this solution is that blindingly obvious?

Wasn't the previous thread about a rename and not a split? I'm saying the split is obvious. The rename is also obvious, but is more a matter of opinion.

If we do rename, I'm in favor of "Polygamy" being in the title. Maybe "The Polygamy Solution" for the trope where the character chooses all the girls in his harem.

I personally like Marry Them All, it's sort of funny to me for somereason.

-*Conflicted* "Oh no! Who should I choose?" *looks around* "I'll marry them all!"

edited 5th Aug '11 5:55:25 PM by NoirGrimoir

The old thread was purely about the name, and I don't recall that the trope at the time included anything except "Marry Them All" looking back at the YKTTW it was "Choose All or Choose None" from the beginning.

If we want to keep it as one page, You Cant Choose Just One?

edited 5th Aug '11 6:05:49 PM by Madrugada

I am not sure. I feel 'deliberately choosing no one' and 'avoid choosing at all' are very distinct. For one thing, the latter allow a more natural sequel, if needed (I believe it was the case with To Love Ru first manga).

Btw, what should we do with Tenchi Solution. It can't stay as a redirect of any specific trope, I believe. We can't cut it either, though. What should be done then?

PS:I disagree the rename is obvious. It seems to be working, so it shouldn't change. Well, if was not for the case it is being split, that is it.

edited 5th Aug '11 6:04:48 PM by Heatth

Tenchi Solution is usually used to refer to Marry Them All situations. Thus, it should stay as a redirect for that.

But don't the original Tenchi end up with a vague ending? Then the name is objectively wrong (which is the sole reason I support the rename, mind you).

Avoiding choosing at all seems like a deliberate Status Quo Is God. Maybe we could trope out a variation of Take a Third Option called Choosing Not To Decide, but, "Don't do anything, just let things ride as they are," hardly seems like a trope when applied to this situation.

And the name Tenchi Solution is yet another case of Fan Myopia in titles — it's an objectively awful name even if the Trope Namer is a perfect example. It is incomprehensible without knowing the source.

edited 5th Aug '11 6:08:41 PM by Fighteer

The original Tenchi ended with no choice being made but word of god indicated that the ended up with all of them eventually. Thus, it is used to describe both endings.

All you're describing is the status quo lasting beyond the end of the series. You yourself admit that it picked an outcome afterwards. So there was no Status Quo Is God in the original Tenchi Solution.

Yeah, it may be Fan Myopia (I don't think the term apply as I don't think the trope is written as anime only, it was just made at the time people named trope after their favorite works). It doesn't matter as it doesn't change the fact it is working, as far we can see. Good wicks, many inbounds, no observable misuse (so far). It only problem is it is a mesh of different tropes.

Which is why having a redirect for just one of them is bad.

Are you saying we shouldn't let Status Quo Is God examples to go into Marry None Of Them? I am cool with that.

edited 5th Aug '11 6:15:54 PM by Heatth

I think those are all separate outcomes, yes. Marry Them All, Marry None Of Them, First Girl Wins, Last Girl Wins, Status Quo Is God, probably a few others that I'm not remembering and am too lazy to look up.

edited 5th Aug '11 6:20:48 PM by Fighteer

People think Tenchi Solution means Marry Them All though. I imagine most people don't watch Tenchi Muyo anymore and thus there are a lot of people highly unfamiliar with it. So even if technically both details are true, people only know about the one. And only partially.