DEATH BATTLE

Is this before or after Father eats God? Because I'm pretty sure Father in the finale would just conjure a sun and immolate Belos on the spot.

If this is before then there might be a fight to be had.

Xanatos probably takes the speed advantage, in that case.

@Mrbda 241

Honestly, Norman's the one more liable to be manipulated than Xanatos is. That said, I wouldn't count the situation with Puck as a manipulation-resistance 'feat' for Xanatos, so to say. From the way Puck told the story, it didn't seem like he was actively trying to make Xanatos pick another option. It does if anything point to Xanatos likely being more savvy/more prone to horizontal thinking than Osborn is.

Whether Xanatos can survive long enough to turn things around is something that the match-up legitimately hinges on because Osborn is definitely someone who can take a lot of punishment. Keep in mind his most famous moment was getting impaled by a speeding hunk of metal and surviving. Sure, he went out for awhile but it does speak to how much punishment the guy can take.

Also, while I'm not particularly fond of scaling, keep in mind that Osborn regularly goes toe-to-toe with not just Spider-Man, but an enraged, blood-lusted Spider-Man. Granted, I'd say that Osborn's base stats aren't as good as Spider-Man's but he's still within the ballpark of someone whose strength feats involve lifting up the Daily Bugle, at least for a short time, or punting the Hulk into the sky. He's also someone who's able to fairly reliably tag Spider-Man, who himself does have laser dodging feats. I'd say Xanatos' speed advantage are a bit more reliable but it's probably not a gap that Osborn can't overcome.

Now, does this definitively mean that Osborn can overpower Xanatos? I don't think so. But it does make the question of its likelihood all the more crucial to the outcome of the battle.

Edited by Ryufuku on Apr 10th 2023 at 7:29:10 PM

That's what makes the fight more interesting, because both sides have solid arguments about how either or could have the stat advantage, but it be a minor advantage at best. They're both used to fighting above their usual weight class and there are very little details in each other's arsenals that either man haven't dealt with before.

I would consider Xanatos' other Gargoyle mechs, not the ones he revived by placing their soul into, the robot ones, and possibly Coyote as well. Can Xanatos overwhelm Norman with all of his robots?

We can all agree on one thing, Xanatos can and would keep a cool head the entire time.

Edited by Mrbda241 on Apr 10th 2023 at 4:59:01 AM

I love vs debates with Spiderman or his rogues. Everyone knows him as a street level hero until you remember that he punches way below his weightclass, and by extension his rogues that can survive a pissed off Peter are also way above what you'd think of them.

Pissed off Peter can outright punch the Hulk back into Banner.

Hawkeye once sonic arrowed Hulk back into Banner.

There's outliers all over.

That...an impressively high end strength feat.

I know Pete's pulled off some ridiculous bullshit, and has even fought the Hulk a few times, but wow.

Then again, he beat up Firelord. I guess nothing is outside his ability if he's running on adrenaline, either due to fear, anger or just determination.

To paraphrase Stan Lee, "Versus debates are pointless because characters are as strong as they need to be for the narrative to work. If a writer wants to have Spider-Man punch out the Hulk in one issue and struggle to life a car in the next, they can do that."

In light of a certain Disney finale… People on the death battle discord acknowledge that Titan Luz is greatly non-standard… but they actually kinda prefer Luz vs Anne to be treated as a non standard matchup- since Anne’s perfect power requires special circumstances and is also non-standard. Everyone’s finding the battle much more interesting that way. Titan Luz vs Calamity Anne. Someone made a funny image summarizing the situation.

It’s become Super Goku vs GT Goku now.◊

The spoilers are referring to Owl House, to note.

Spoiler discussed of The Owl House and Amphibia Finale incoming, if you haven't watched it yet, don't read this.

2I suppose. Funny thing is I feel like the Speed Advantage would have been closer had Marcy not mentioned that the Calamity powers stack when together. Anne's Calamity Blue form was fast enough to reach outer space in a few seconds. Luz's Titan Form basically managed to do the same as well, or at the the outer atmosphere, but still blazing fast. With all the Calamity powers, you could make the argument Anne's speed would increase, we just see her launch her All or Nothing attack. Does Luz have a way to dodge it? Probably Yes. She could turn invisible for a short while while she hold her breath, or better yet, she could simply teleport away. Normally she needs to actually draw out the Glyph combination for said stuff to come out, but in her Titan form, she clearly doesn't need to, and Anne has no way of finding her afterwards.

The big question is this, assuming if Titan Luz does have her time limit, would Luz be able to survive long enough before her titan form runs out? Because the way I see it, Luz would have no issue fighting Anne in base form. She might compete a bit with Anne's first blue form phase, but it's either here or the Armor phase where she needs the Titan Form.

The best way to describe Spider-Man in terms of versus debates is that while he himself couldn't take down a building, there's a very real possibility that he could take out the one who's taking out the building.

As for whether Osborn could survive the Steel Clan, I think it's possible. The Steel Clan hasn't exactly been shown to be working on the most sophisticated AI, so I wouldn't say Osborn's chances are significantly dampened even with their inclusion.

Coyote could be more problematic but I don't even think he should be included in a hypothetical match-up since he really is his own character at this point.

A few things- firstly, Luz doesn't need to hold her breath now that she can have Stringbean do the invisibility for her. Secondly, you forget Anne's on a time limit, too. Sure, she's extended it a little, but it doesn't reset if she were to go from Blue to Calamity. Thirdly, it's more than likely Luz can pull from all tracks of magic now, thanks to stringbean- she studied under both Eda and all coven tracks at Hexside, why couldn't she once she had a palisman? She was using shields as Titan Luz despite never having used them before, so being able to use magic as a witch of the BI does helped give her more versatility. Finally, it's important to note that the Titan mentioned he was giving Luz the last of his life; not power, life. The time limit was the problem, not the use of power. He also says that Belos will "have control over everything". Meaning she could possibly scale to the collector moving the moon- despite some funny business of power nullification, Collector acknowledges him as the strongest being in the demon realm. He had to have witnessed some powerful magic when he fought the Titan long ago. It's just that, power wasn't the right call in beating Belos. Precision was.

Good points. I don't know about the Collector Moon feat, but if it counts, it technically means Luz's shields could possibly withstand Anne's Moon Blast as well, so that likely covers that possibility too, Whether Luz could survive that scenario. She now could theoretically hold off the blast, or avoid it all together.

Does it, though? What the Collector did was point his finger at the Moon and drag it away from the Sun like he was rearranging a computer desktop icon. How does that translate to attack potency?

This isn't like Twilight Sparkles unable to scale to Princess Celestia and Luna's Sun and Moon feat. Collector's own magic/powers was moving it and the King's Dad was the one who sealed him away. Death Battle does like using the source of power potential as the potential of one's attack or defense if it's the same source of power.

Edited by Mrbda241 on Apr 11th 2023 at 5:37:24 AM

I've seen a lot of Versus debates do the same, but that's always struck me as faulty logic.

I understand that, it seemed like an obvious flaw is there. Booster Gold was the one I questioned about it, when they said basically "Booster is using the same source of power, so the fire power on it must be insane" or something like that.

Edited by Mrbda241 on Apr 11th 2023 at 6:03:32 AM

Kind of want to see Bender as a combatant, if only because even if he loses I think it would be neat to hear him say a defiant one last "Bite my shiny metal ass!"

Edited by generation81 on Apr 11th 2023 at 12:36:06 PM

My preferred opponent for him is Roger.

Doesn't Titan magic negate Collector magic (in the sense that bases neutralize acid), so you can't necessarily directly scale what a Titan can do to what a Collector can do? Like if I had Kryptonite gloves and wailed on Superman and killed him doesn't make me a planet buster. So you can't necessarily scale what Luz can do in Titan form to the Collector.

Speaking, what's everyone's favourite Defiant to the End moments in the series? Mine was Cable Vs. Booster Gold.

Ichigo grabbing a stick is gonna be hard to top, for me.

Yeah, that. I don't like the fight itself but god that was a sick moment and totally fits for Ichigo's character.

Gotta third that one. I just didn't see that coming. I don't think Ichigo does crap like that in his own series. Yeah he's The Determinator but he's never been straight up depowered and defending himself with a stick.