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Edited by Mrph1 on Nov 30th 2023 at 11:03:59 AM
Imma just bookmark it and read it all when he's finished.
Some notable stuff to watch out for in volume One Searchable Version of report here
Mueller then provides a *litany* of ways in which his Office was stymied in its efforts to get at the truth—explaining, in part, why many things couldn't be established beyond a reasonable doubt. This section should get *much* more attention by the media than it likely will. Here's the stated list of causes:
- FIFTH AMENDMENT INVOCATIONS
- DOJ policies on attorneys and media
- Legal privilege protected by "taint team" review
- FALSE AND INCOMPLETE INFORMATION BY TRUMPISTS
- WITNESSES AND DOCUMENTS ABROAD
- DESTRUCTION OF EVIDENCE
...Mueller essentially says that a good deal of counterintelligence information—the category of information that'd tell us whether Trump is *impeachable as a national security threat* (because he is compromised)—is absent from the Report. He also implies those probes continue.
Will keep this updated as I read it
The IRA
The IRA pages are heavily redacted, which actually makes sense, since that's more part of the Counter-Intelligence side of the investigation, but here's the important bits from what's readable: (Overall though, aside from a few segments, the redacting is still pretty light, all things considered.)
The Kremlin-backed Internet Research Agency's 100% pro-Trump propaganda campaign reached "tens of millions" of American voters, per the Mueller Report. Remember: this was an election decided in Trump's favor by... 77,000 votes.
We always knew Trump aides and allies amplified Russian propaganda, but Mueller confirms it in writing, naming Micheal Flynn, Rodger Stone, and Shaun Hannity.
Assange:
Mueller establishes that the *whole Seth Rich storyline* concocted by Wiki Leaks—pushed by Sean Hannity—was a *concerted* effort by Wiki Leaks to *hide* that it was working with Russian military intelligence. Going to break from lawspeak a moment and say Assange is hosed.
It took FIVE HOURS from Trump saying "Russia, if you're listening" until Russian military intelligence hacks seeking exactly the material Trump had asked the Russians to provide—I seem to recall from law school that "willful ignorance" isn't a defense to aiding and abetting?
I need sleep, but I'll try to do more in the morning.
Edited by megaeliz on Apr 18th 2019 at 11:28:31 AM
My take-aways from Abramson's thread:
- The criminal standard for "proof" is really high
- While the report is pretty damning, most of it (or at least the unredacted bits) is stuff that people who've been following, say, WTFJHT would already know
- There's also a bunch of conspiracy stuff going on involving the middle east that's barely covered in the report
- The pee-pee tape is real
Edited by Hylarn on Apr 18th 2019 at 10:21:04 AM
The question is, has it been destroyed already?
But seriously at this point the Russians definitely have something on him. Not necessarily some kind of blackmail, as I consider him pretty damned easy to bribe with real estate and shit.
Edited by AceofSpades on Apr 18th 2019 at 11:34:49 AM
Oh, bother.
Ugh, now that mental image is back in my brain...
Disgusted, but not surprised
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Isn't the tape about him paying prostitutes to pee on a bed and not having them pee on him?
This often gets misrepresented a lot because "Trump paid people to piss on him" gets more laughs, I guess?
Welcome to Estalia, gentlemen.
Well, that's the first I've heard of that. And watersports is a thing that some people are genuinely into. Though I guess the other is the kind of petty bullshit Trump would engage in.
From what I remember, the bed in question was the one Obama slept in once when he was president and visiting Moscow.
So what's more likely? Trump paying prostitutes to urinate on him? Or Trump paying prostitutes to urinate on a bed Obama once slept in?
Edited by DrunkenNordmann on Apr 18th 2019 at 6:41:13 PM
Welcome to Estalia, gentlemen.
Well, not knowing him personally, I would have to say that I am uncomfortable with this type of gossip about famous people I don't know, man. And in light of all the crimes, kind of petty to focus on.
Oh, bother.
While we shouldn't let it distract us from the rest of Trump's misdeeds, it does reinforce just how utterly petty Trump is. Part of the horror of Trump is the sheer pettiness of the man.
The pettiness that would drive Trump to have prostitutes pee on a hotel bed just because Obama used it once is the same pettiness that drives Trump to try and destroy everything Obama built as POTUS, such as the ACA and the Iran Nuclear Deal.
All this...because a black man roasted him at a public event (in response to Trump spreading racist birtherism conspiracies).
Edited by M84 on Apr 19th 2019 at 1:14:21 AM
Disgusted, but not surprised
Thats not just petty but thats flatout childish.
Fuck Trump supporters are loons to believe Trump is a manly man out for their best interests.
Ah, birtherism.
That alone should have excluded Trump from any political position. Instead, so many people appear to have forgotten it happened. Because there are so many things Trump has done that people stop talking about the previous things he has done.
Which, don't forget, is by design. Overwhelming amounts of controversy makes it hard to focus on one thing, and keeps the focus on him. None of which is new, but I feel it needs repeating.
Edited by SilentColossus on Apr 18th 2019 at 11:10:43 AM
Oh, bother.
Trump is the Ugly American President. The Bully President. He combines everything wrong and ugly with the USA with the childish petty cruelty of every bully one has met in their life.
Part of why I am so disturbed by Trump being POTUS is that he reminds me too much of some bullies I've had to put up with in my youth.
It's similar to why a lot of Hollywood types don't like Trump. As Seth Macfarlane once claimed, it's because Trump reminds them too much of every asshole director, executive, producer, etc. in Hollywood. Yes, Hollywood is kind of a fucked up culture.
Edited by M84 on Apr 19th 2019 at 2:13:53 AM
Disgusted, but not surprised
Trump and several of his cronies and cheerleaders are so bullying. It's disgusting.
I liked it better when Questionable Casting was called WTH Casting Agency
Oh, bother.
What bothers me even more is that, to millions of Americans, Trump being a bully is a feature, not a bug.
Disgusted, but not surprised
Try again, this time with some evidence from reputable sources for your claims.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
The Manifest Destiny Useful Notes seems to be broken. For some reason, it's showing up as GATE: and so the Iron Pact Fought. Also, who was the Ivan who thought giving the Internet Research Agency the same acronym as the Irish Republic Army was a good idea? Has anyone done any jokes about that?
Edited by CookingCat on Apr 19th 2019 at 2:19:37 AM
Looks like someone from Breitbart got a little lost.
They should have sent a poet.
Are you kidding?
Take a few breaths, stand away from the keyboard for a thirty seconds. Maybe do a random trope selection gamble (but... tie a rope to yourself and set a timer, or you might not get any sleep).
Or, start with Occam's Razor or Golden Mean Fallacy. Come back in a little bit. 
But, do come back.
If reporting on objective reality dehumanizes the right, perhaps they should consider why. Maybe do a little introspection.
Democrats certainly aren’t locking kids in cages, that much is for sure.
They should have sent a poet.
here’s the thread reader app version, if that works better
It’s super detailed, and has a ton of breadth, so it’s good if you are really interested in the investigation.
I’ll see if I can find a main points version as well.
Edited by megaeliz on Apr 18th 2019 at 10:57:35 AM