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MCE Grin and tonic from Elsewhere
Grin and tonic
Jun 11th 2011 at 2:12:56 PM

Based of this article I have a question.

Should people have to take responsibility for the way they dress?

I should make it clear that I believe that rape is wrong and cannot be justified. Nobody should be seen as 'asking for it' because of the way they dress, but at the same time they should consider how the way they dress and act may effect others.

I don't mean everyone should dress like monks and nuns but they probably shouldn't wear something that's barely there with 'Fuck me' on the back either, especially if they intend to drink themselves into unconsciousness.

edited 11th Jun '11 2:14:16 PM by MCE

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Fawriel jump to the left from the bottom of my heart Relationship Status: If it's you, it's okay
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Jun 11th 2011 at 2:14:52 PM

You can't wear something slutty and then complain about ugly guys staring at your ass, and you most definitely can't wear a shirt with writing in the front and then complain about people staring at your breasts.

Aside from that, nothing I can think of.

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Pykrete NOT THE BEES from Viridian Forest
NOT THE BEES
Jun 11th 2011 at 2:18:56 PM

sqrt(rape) = patriarchy

...buh...?

edited 11th Jun '11 2:19:25 PM by Pykrete

Tzetze DUMB from a converted church in Venice, Italy
DUMB
Jun 11th 2011 at 2:20:36 PM

"the root cause of rape is patriarchy", I assume

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Wicked223 from Death Star in the forest
Jun 11th 2011 at 2:21:48 PM

You can't wear something slutty and then complain about ugly guys staring at your ass, and you most definitely can't wear a shirt with writing in the front and then complain about people staring at your breasts.

Why? People don't always wear "slutty" clothing to impress the opposite sex.

You can't even write racist abuse in excrement on somebody's car without the politically correct brigade jumping down your throat!
Pykrete NOT THE BEES from Viridian Forest
NOT THE BEES
Jun 11th 2011 at 2:21:53 PM

[up][up]...buh???...

edited 11th Jun '11 2:22:24 PM by Pykrete

Jun 11th 2011 at 2:23:53 PM

The protest movement was sparked by a Canadian policeman who advised students to "avoid dressing like sluts" to avoid being victimized.

Erock Proud Canadian from Toronto
Proud Canadian
Jun 11th 2011 at 2:26:24 PM

[up]A Toronto man, no less. No all of us are like that.

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MilosStefanovic Decemberist from White City, Ruritania
Decemberist
Jun 11th 2011 at 2:26:37 PM

edited 31st May '12 3:17:46 AM by MilosStefanovic

The sin of silence when they should protest makes cowards of men.
Jun 11th 2011 at 2:28:58 PM

teach people not to rape, not how not to be raped

This. I'm generally against immodest dress because I feel that it aids in the objectification and stereotyping of women, but consenting to lewd attention is not consenting to a dick in your body.

That being said, I do have a problem with people behaving with utter promiscuity and then complain that the other party takes it to its logical conclusion. If you understand that a certain type of behavior and dress will provoke a certain reaction, and accordingly act in such a way as to invite that reaction on purpose yet change your mind along the way, it's no good chanting "no means no" when everything you've said and done up to the point indicated "yes."

"Why? People don't always wear "slutty" clothing to impress the opposite sex."

Well, I damn well know that on those rare occasions that I do, I have no better reason than that one. I've heard that some girls do it because they find it liberating, but that ranks pretty high on my bullshit-meter.

edited 11th Jun '11 2:31:43 PM by kashchei

And better than thy stroke; why swellest thou then?
MCE Grin and tonic from Elsewhere
Grin and tonic
Jun 11th 2011 at 2:30:01 PM

Milos Stefanovic: The victim being dressed as a slut is absolutely no excuse for rape, but dressing like that and being remotely good-looking simply invites staring. Really, I never understood why would somebody dress like that if they are the paragon of chastity. But what annoys me the most is when parents dress their little daughters in Stripperiffic clothing. Much to my horror and disbelief, I (completely non-paedophile, let me tell you) have found out that I can get slightly turned-on by the sight. And then they wonder why paedophilia is rampantly rising.

Good nutrition and other factors meaning girls hit puberty earlier, combined with very young girls dressing in clothes that are too sexual. Also consider female adults that have childlike traits are seen as attractive. Things are incredibly messed up.

edited 11th Jun '11 2:33:32 PM by MCE

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Jun 11th 2011 at 2:32:33 PM

"But what annoys me the most is when parents dress their little daughters in Stripperiffic clothing. Much to my horror and disbelief, I (completely non-paedophile, let me tell you) have found out that I can get slightly turned-on by the sight."

Ugh. How little are we talking?

And better than thy stroke; why swellest thou then?
Fawriel jump to the left from the bottom of my heart Relationship Status: If it's you, it's okay
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Jun 11th 2011 at 2:32:52 PM

Why? People don't always wear "slutty" clothing to impress the opposite sex.
Hrm. Even if it's not for that reason, it still has to be for the purpose of generally looking attractive. Possibly for your own sake, but when you're attractive, attracting comes with the territory. It's also possible that someone will dress like that without even thinking about it, just because everyone's doing it, but if the lady then realizes that she doesn't like being stared at, she should... probably start thinking about the clothes she wears. Because you most certainly can't forbid people from looking at other people.

... In any case, I'm not sure how related this is to the topic at hand.

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Pykrete NOT THE BEES from Viridian Forest
NOT THE BEES
Jun 11th 2011 at 2:34:25 PM

Basically with Kash on this one. I mean, teaching people not to commit crime and teaching them not to do things that cause greatly increased risk of being a victim of said crime are not exactly mutually exclusive — nor is it remotely unique to rape.

I mean we teach people gang wars and shit are bad too, but it doesn't mean I go traipsing around inner-city alleys on the assumption that it's bad ergo nobody should do it.

edited 11th Jun '11 2:35:34 PM by Pykrete

Jun 11th 2011 at 2:35:21 PM

Dressing to get attraction does not equal non-consensual touching, which is what the topic is about.

MilosStefanovic Decemberist from White City, Ruritania
Decemberist
Jun 11th 2011 at 2:37:55 PM

edited 31st May '12 3:18:04 AM by MilosStefanovic

The sin of silence when they should protest makes cowards of men.
Explodia from The Rage Dimension
Jun 11th 2011 at 2:38:05 PM

There are women in burqas and baggy sweaters who get raped and sexually harrassed. What you're wearing is irrelevant. Putting aside the fact that the majority of rapists are someone the victim knows rather than boogiemen hiding in the bushes, there are many more variables in place when it comes to a predator choosing a victim than what they're wearing or how hot they look.

Jun 11th 2011 at 2:38:12 PM

Pykrete, that's not what I'm actually saying. While I think certain behaviors should be discouraged if one's priority is not to get raped, dressing up any which way should not impact how seriously the other party perceives your consent.

edited 11th Jun '11 2:38:57 PM by kashchei

And better than thy stroke; why swellest thou then?
MCE Grin and tonic from Elsewhere
Grin and tonic
Jun 11th 2011 at 2:38:27 PM

Attraction is one thing, but perceived sexual availability is another. You can be attractive wearing jeans and sensible top.

edited 11th Jun '11 2:39:23 PM by MCE

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Pykrete NOT THE BEES from Viridian Forest
NOT THE BEES
Jun 11th 2011 at 2:38:52 PM

Oh no, I'm in agreement with that too.

Jun 11th 2011 at 2:39:22 PM

Oh, okay. Just making sure.

"Attraction is one thing, but perceived sexual availability is another. You can be attractive wearing jeans and sensible top."

Of course you can; however, slut heels and cleavage put out a specific signal that you're looking for sex as opposed to a good ole platonic good time.

edited 11th Jun '11 2:41:44 PM by kashchei

And better than thy stroke; why swellest thou then?
MilosStefanovic Decemberist from White City, Ruritania
Decemberist
Jun 11th 2011 at 2:42:12 PM

edited 31st May '12 3:18:17 AM by MilosStefanovic

The sin of silence when they should protest makes cowards of men.
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Lv. 3 Genasi Wizard
Jun 11th 2011 at 2:48:46 PM

While there should be some standards that society is comfortable with (like say, no nudity in public), you can't blame anyone dressing skanky. Heck, apparently the definition of "skanky" is itself quite vague and just serves as another reason for people to avoid the actual problem of there being rapists and molestations in the first place.

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Jun 11th 2011 at 2:49:04 PM

Odds are with the stripper-dressed tots, it's other cues that are being triggered in your memory, rather than the pre-pubescent characteristics.


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