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Deboss I see the Awesomeness. from Awesomeville Texas Since: Aug, 2009
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#1: May 31st 2011 at 10:21:19 AM

Some of those involve reboots and whatnot rather than an actual Tone Shift within a single work. I'm mostly making this thread so I don't forget to fix it.

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pokedude10 Since: Oct, 2010
#2: Oct 30th 2011 at 9:55:35 PM

If this trope is supposed to be confined within a single work. Then Paragraph Four needs to go.

Other than that. Bloodier and Gorier, Darker and Edgier, Hotter and Sexier, and Younger and Hipper need to go.

Deboss I see the Awesomeness. from Awesomeville Texas Since: Aug, 2009
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#3: Oct 30th 2011 at 10:40:45 PM

It's a single work, or a continuous works, I think. It's supposed to be a shift, not a simple change, yes?

edited 30th Oct '11 10:42:26 PM by Deboss

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pokedude10 Since: Oct, 2010
#4: Oct 30th 2011 at 11:13:51 PM

That's what I thought, so remakes and re-imagining shouldn't count.

Deboss I see the Awesomeness. from Awesomeville Texas Since: Aug, 2009
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#5: Oct 31st 2011 at 12:08:30 AM

That sounds right, but Tone Shift was something I originally proposed as a supertrope to Cerebus Syndrome because we were getting shoehorned examples or something. There was a reason I suggested it, I can't quite remember what it was though.

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ccoa Ravenous Sophovore from the Sleeping Giant Since: Jan, 2001
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#6: Dec 29th 2011 at 8:56:17 AM

According to the page text, it can be either within a single or episodic work or with a reboot/reimagining.

This is especially true in episodic media, such as Live-Action TV, Comic Books, and Web Comics, where their long-running status and, in the first two cases, changes in writing teams can cause marked changes in tone over time.

This also frequently appears when remaking or re-imagining older media for a modern audience.

Probably because some of the subtropes can apply to either.

I'm not sure I see a major difference between, say, an episodic work become Hotter and Sexier or a reboot doing so, personally. Both apply the same change to the work and both were done for exactly the same reasons.

Do we really need on set of Tone Shift tropes for "this happens in a single work" and "this happens in multiple, related works"?

I remember creating this, and at the time it was agreed to do as-is. Why the change of heart?

edited 29th Dec '11 9:08:04 AM by ccoa

Waiting on a TRS slot? Finishing off one of these cleaning efforts will usually open one up.
DrMcNinja Batman Since: May, 2011
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#7: Dec 31st 2011 at 7:23:05 AM

It explains it can be in reboots or remakes, so I think the page is fine. I can find no problem with it.

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shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#8: Dec 31st 2011 at 10:23:45 AM

The page definition looks consistent with the examples. I see no reason to separate these two things. In fact Deboss I recall you championing squishing them both together when we made the page because the difference was really just nitpicky. This is a high level supertrope. It can stay that way.

edited 31st Dec '11 10:24:18 AM by shimaspawn

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ccoa Ravenous Sophovore from the Sleeping Giant Since: Jan, 2001
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#9: Jan 6th 2012 at 1:58:17 PM

Since you're only using this in lieu of a spot on your to do list, can we close this so that other, active TRS threads can come in?

Waiting on a TRS slot? Finishing off one of these cleaning efforts will usually open one up.
shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#10: Jan 6th 2012 at 2:27:59 PM

I'll lock this up.

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick
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