First thing's first: KEEP. THIS. SHIT. CIVIL. If you can't talk about race without resorting to childish insults and rude generalizations or getting angry at people who don't see it your way, leave the thread.
With that said, I bring you to what can hopefully be the general thread about race.
First, a few starter questions.
- How, if at all, do you feel your race affects your everyday life?
- Do you believe that white people (or whatever the majority race in your area is) receive privileges simply because of the color of their skin. How much?
- Do you believe minorities are discriminated against for the same reason? How much?
- Do you believe that assimilation of cultures is better than people trying to keep their own?
- Affirmative Action. Yea, Nay? Why or why not?
Also, a personal question from me.
- Why (in my experience, not trying to generalize) do white people often try to insist that they aren't white? I can't count the number of times I've heard "I'm not white, I'm 1/4th English, 1/4th German, 1/4th Scandinavian 1/8th Cherokee, and 1/8th Russian," as though 4 of 5 of those things aren't considered "white" by the masses. Is it because you have pride for your ancestry, or an attempt to try and differentiate yourself from all those "other" white people? Or something else altogether?
edited 30th May '11 9:16:04 PM by Wulf
An Open Apology to the Covington Catholic MAGA Hat Harassment Team.
Everyone should read this article.
"Somehow the hated have to walk a tightrope, while those who hate do not."
Video: Florida Man Pulls Gun on Black Kids Riding Bikes at #BikesUpGunsDown Event.
I feel compelled to remember how the defense of the Trayvon Martin case pointed out that "Stand and Defend" laws applied to the man who murdered him but not Trayvon Martin who defended himself and was killed for it.
We can guess why that was the case.
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Was just about to post it. Both funny and well written.
Edited by windleopard on Jan 22nd 2019 at 6:55:34 AM
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A bit late, but as a Catholic, I apologise for the behaviour of that bunch of white thugs.
Instead of focusing on relatives that divide us, maybe we should try to find the absolutes that tie us.
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There's no need to apologize for thugs, even if they are Catholic. Besides, I'm pretty sure it's not written in any Catholic doctrine that being a raging asshole is acceptable.
So don't worry about it.
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Ah, a veiled insinuation that a black man, or a small group of them, somehow posed a real threat of violence, even in the absence of any evidence to support the claim. It was only a matter of time before we arrived here.
Also, since I know not everyone reads the comments of articles, I found this one to be particularly interesting:
Is this "afraid" Sandman the smarmy looking kid with the MAGA hat? Because if so I am a Chinese lizard from Mars.
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With a top hat, spats and a monocle, no less.
Nothing about those lads screamed "frightened". They were out to intimidate and enjoying it.
Edited by Euodiachloris on Jan 23rd 2019 at 9:39:38 AM
Honestly, fuck every writer and reporter who'd taken back what they'd said after the "longer video." For what, objectivity? Did these appeasers not see them doing the haka? Screaming "Build the Wall"? Them screaming and laughing at women?
Fuck the media in this country. We'll never get anywhere with them constantly letting the right control the narrative.
"Somehow the hated have to walk a tightrope, while those who hate do not."
Were they doing a haka to taunt people? That's a special kind of shitty.
It's been fun.
In the name of being honest
It's not a haka. It's their school cheer plus the tomahawk chop.
Oh, so it's just appropriative in a different direction. Guess those private school kids really are overachievers.
It's been fun.
I'd read somewhere that they also did the haka, though.
Whatever the case, like I said, they knew what they were doing. They were intending to mock the Indigenous Peoples' March. Thus, my utter inability to understand why non-right wing sources started saying, "Oh no we misreported!" when the BS "longer video" came out.
"Somehow the hated have to walk a tightrope, while those who hate do not."
But black people were present!
Not-entirely sympathetic ones!
That changes everything!
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In the name of being honest
I wish major media outlets would shut up about the kids and start reporting on the Indigenous People's March itself, though. The Parkland witch-hunt was awful, no need to repeat it just because the kids are genuine assholes.
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The problem is, the MAGA teens' harassment of Phillips and mockery using Indigenous dances is a perfect encapsulation of why the Indigenous People's March exists in the first place. As someone else put it, it is the distillation of 400+ years of white colonialism; it's not really an incorrect statement.
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The situation appears to be more complex than was originally reported. The behavior of the teens cannot be defended: whether or not they were doing a Haka dance or merely their school chant plus tomohawk chops matters not at all- it was equally racist either way. But it now appears that they didnt instigate the incident, nor were they guilty of the worst racial insults that day. It was a group of African American men, belonging to the Black Hebrew Israelites, apparently some sort of fringe religious sect, who seem to have hurled the first insults, including racist ones. The student who was closest to the Native American, who has since identified himself publically as Nick Sandmann, issued a statement that he did not intend to insult Native Americans, and the various videos online do not, to my knowledge, show him chanting anything or making any gestures (others with him did, however). That they were wearing MAGA hats, attending a private school, or were there to participate in a Right to Life march, are all absolutely irrelevent to what happened. They were in the wrong, sure, but only because of their behavior, not due to who they are.
Incidently, the real hero here is the Native American gentleman, who seems to have placed himself between two other groups in an attempt to defuse a confrontation. It looks to me like he was successful, in that he accomplished his goal. It is an unfortunate truth that in situations like that, the anger and negativity that had been building between the conflicting parties is often redirected unfairly at the person attempting to mediate. He deserves our support for trying.
"We learn from history that we do not learn from history."
He was just awesome.
But, just because the soapbox nutters stirred the pot doesn't let the kids off the hook. They were old enough to know not to react to soapbox preachers in fine vitriolic flow, yet chose to react as extremely they did.
Mainly, though, I'd like to get their supposed adult supervision and technical guardians for that trip investigated, strung over barrels, punished and banned from working as educators or carers ever again.
Edited by Euodiachloris on Jan 24th 2019 at 1:42:36 PM
Also you know, yelling at women "Its not rape if you enjoy it" and other things of the such even before the soap box nutters showed up, is so much better then what they were already known to be doing
So no it really isn't more complicated, its just that other racists were also there.
Edited by Imca on Jan 24th 2019 at 5:23:21 AM
Yeah, everything about the Covington boys is a perfect example of intersecting bigotries.
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Yeah them not starting the incident doesn’t change the fact that they’re anti-women, racists chanting racist things at any minority they get in a fight with.
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