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First thing's first: KEEP. THIS. SHIT. CIVIL. If you can't talk about race without resorting to childish insults and rude generalizations or getting angry at people who don't see it your way, leave the thread.

With that said, I bring you to what can hopefully be the general thread about race.

First, a few starter questions.

  • How, if at all, do you feel your race affects your everyday life?
  • Do you believe that white people (or whatever the majority race in your area is) receive privileges simply because of the color of their skin. How much?
    • Do you believe minorities are discriminated against for the same reason? How much?
  • Do you believe that assimilation of cultures is better than people trying to keep their own?
  • Affirmative Action. Yea, Nay? Why or why not?

Also, a personal question from me.

  • Why (in my experience, not trying to generalize) do white people often try to insist that they aren't white? I can't count the number of times I've heard "I'm not white, I'm 1/4th English, 1/4th German, 1/4th Scandinavian 1/8th Cherokee, and 1/8th Russian," as though 4 of 5 of those things aren't considered "white" by the masses. Is it because you have pride for your ancestry, or an attempt to try and differentiate yourself from all those "other" white people? Or something else altogether?

edited 30th May '11 9:16:04 PM by Wulf

eagleoftheninth In the name of being honest from the Street without Joy Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: With my statistically significant other
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#19026: Nov 14th 2018 at 10:38:12 PM

And because most English-language literature and cinema isn't made by indigenous peoples.

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unknowing from somewhere.. Since: Mar, 2014
#19027: Nov 15th 2018 at 3:53:50 AM

And because being more cynic here, indegenious arent people to a lot of population in general.

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CharlesPhipps Since: Jan, 2001
#19028: Nov 15th 2018 at 4:02:57 AM

As one Native explained to my racist self, "Demographics are a constant concern for white people and Native Americans. They keep thinking we'll eventually grow as a population and they can't have that. Then they'd have to deal with us as people."

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Fourthspartan56 from Georgia, US Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: THIS CONCEPT OF 'WUV' CONFUSES AND INFURIATES US!
#19029: Nov 15th 2018 at 6:14:38 AM

That reminds me of Southern politeness, we are legitimately polite but only to the "right" kind of people.

Otherwise, you had things like lynching and slavery.

Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Nov 15th 2018 at 9:14:54 AM

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#19030: Nov 15th 2018 at 6:34:13 AM

[up][up][up] And even when they are a majority of the populace, they still get discrimined.

Thought is more a cultural bias rather than racial one tho, I'm still biologically native but I get safe from most anti native hate for being heavily urbanized.

Urban Native Power.

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Larkmarn Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Hello, I love you
#19031: Nov 15th 2018 at 6:57:49 AM

... so Canada's government was actively committing genocide as recently as 2017 and I didn't even know about it?

... odd day.

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sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#19032: Nov 15th 2018 at 3:40:19 PM

A few stories from today's What the Fuck Just Happened Today? update I thought might warrant cross-posting here from General US Politics:

A man started shouting "Heil Hitler, Heil Trump" during intermission at a performance of "Fiddler on the Roof." The play is based on Yiddish stories and tells the tale of a Jewish family in Russia during the early 1900s. (Baltimore Sun / Talking Points Memo)

https://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/baltimore-city/bs-md-ci-hippodrome-20181114-story.html

A 10-year-old Muslim girl found notes in her elementary school cubby that said "You're a terrorist" and "I will kill you." (CNN)

https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/14/us/framingham-hate-crime/index.html

Hate crimes in America rose 17% last year – the third consecutive year that such crimes increased. (Washington Post)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/hate-crimes-rose-17-percent-last-year-according-to-new-fbi-data/2018/11/13/e0dcf13e-e754-11e8-b8dc-66cca409c180_story.html

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#19033: Nov 15th 2018 at 3:51:49 PM

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A man started shouting "Heil Hitler, Heil Trump" during intermission at a performance of "Fiddler on the Roof." The play is based on Yiddish stories and tells the tale of a Jewish family in Russia during the early 1900s. (Baltimore Sun / Talking Points Memo)

Additionally, this also caused the rest of the audience to run away screaming out of fear of an impromptu shooting.

That's where we are now.

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#19034: Nov 15th 2018 at 3:58:26 PM

Did he get arrested? That is like yelling "FIRE."

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kkhohoho Deranged X-Mas Figure from The Insanity Pole Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#19035: Nov 15th 2018 at 4:00:40 PM

[up]Nope. They gave him a stop ticket.

“As reprehensible as those words are, they are considered protected free speech because nobody was directly threatened,” police spokesman Matt Jablow said in an email.

We need hate speech laws ASAP.

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fruitpork Since: Oct, 2010
#19036: Nov 15th 2018 at 5:16:46 PM

[up] Yeah doing that should be considered a threat.

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#19037: Nov 15th 2018 at 5:31:01 PM

[up][up][up]Isn't yelling "Fire" in public areas legal under US law? I get conflicting answers to that every time I ask.

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Imca (Veteran)
#19038: Nov 15th 2018 at 5:38:44 PM

AFAIK the answer is "Yes in theroy, but it's never been tried", and American law is set by precident so until it is, no one knows.

eagleoftheninth In the name of being honest from the Street without Joy Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: With my statistically significant other
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#19039: Nov 15th 2018 at 8:31:06 PM

Yelling Nazi stuff to provoke a deadly stampede at a showing of Fiddler on the Roof sounds like the kind of bizarro terror plot you'd expect in 2018.

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DeMarquis Who Am I? from Hell, USA Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Buried in snow, waiting for spring
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#19040: Nov 16th 2018 at 5:22:47 PM

If a court can find that he was deliberately trying to incite a dangerous stampede, then that's already illegal.

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Wispy Since: Feb, 2017
#19041: Nov 18th 2018 at 5:22:35 PM

If you want to see just how bad Canada treats it's First Nation population look up the Trail of Tears and how the authorities have tried to shove it under the rug.

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#19042: Nov 18th 2018 at 6:08:52 PM

Unless Canada had one, too, or there's something else I'm unaware of, the Trail of Tears is an American atrocity.

Edited by sgamer82 on Nov 18th 2018 at 7:09:10 AM

KazuyaProta Shin Megami Tensei IV from A Industrial Farm Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#19043: Nov 18th 2018 at 7:28:45 PM

Canada definitely had it's own equivalents. Every European Colonizer commited attrocities in America.

Even Russia. With the I Am Not Making This Up Disclaimer. Seriously, Alaska.

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eagleoftheninth In the name of being honest from the Street without Joy Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: With my statistically significant other
In the name of being honest
#19044: Nov 18th 2018 at 7:37:09 PM

IIRC there's the Highway of Tears, where a few dozen hitchhiking First Nations women have been murdered over the years.

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Pachylad (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#19045: Nov 18th 2018 at 7:37:24 PM

I mean, I kinda knew Canada had their own baggage with their natives, through incidentally another Trail of Tears, I just didn't think it would be as bad as god-honest Eugenics in the past few years

Edit: and an eagle swoops in like a [nja]

Edited by Pachylad on Nov 18th 2018 at 11:37:56 PM

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#19046: Nov 18th 2018 at 8:07:28 PM

My own country had them...in the 90. Anyone knows the scope of Canada' sterilization program? How many victims in how.many time.

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Wispy Since: Feb, 2017
#19047: Nov 19th 2018 at 2:35:28 AM

Fuck I meant Highway of Tears. Thats what I get for writing that while being really tired.

Point is the Highway of Tears has been having serial killers killing First Nations women since the late 1960s up until possibly now (latest body was found in 2006 but thats only what has been reported to be found) but the police and the government refuse to acknowledge the tragedies that occurred and at the time they were in full swing refused to look into catching the serial killers.

It wasn't until recently were they caught a couple of the killers and I think that was after they got caught trying to coverup the Highway of Tears. Its just a really sad case of justice being not served all just because some racist fucks couldn't be bothered to actually do anything because it wasn't white women disappearing. There is also First Nations women disappearing and being murdered in other parts of the country too with little to no measures being taken to stop it.

Even when I see people talking about the Highway of Tears and how horribly they handled it nowadays you see a couple or racist fucks saying that they deserved it because something to do with a lot of First Nations towns being drug and crime infested and all that old racist stereotype tripe.

I also recall hearing that there was a practice for some police departments in Canada to pick up First Nations people, arrest them, handcuff them, and then leave them to die in the remote wilderness during winter time. This practice was only stopped because one or more victims managed to survive and get back to civilization.

America sadly has a disturbing amount of cases as well were an bunch of natives or other minorities were targeted but the police didn't bother trying to catch the killer until some white folks were killed.

Edited by Wispy on Nov 19th 2018 at 2:48:04 AM

Pachylad (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#19048: Nov 19th 2018 at 2:48:40 AM

Related to this is how not long after I found out that most of Jeffrey Dahmer's victims were nonwhite that I got a realisation as to why he wasn't caught sooner

Wispy Since: Feb, 2017
#19049: Nov 19th 2018 at 2:53:16 AM

[up]Oh it gets worse. One of his victims was an young teenage boy (I forgot what ethnicity he was but I think he was native) whom some woman found on his doorstep, drugged and bleeding from his butt. Despite the fact something was clearly very wrong the police let Jeffery off after Jeffery claimed that he was just a boyfriend and things got frisky. Jeffery then went on to kill more people and even killed that poor boy's brother too at some point. Homophobia and racism were both very rampant in that case.

Sadly the boy got murdered and his body defiled not long after that. Jeffery did have some white victims but they were very few and far in between.

Edited by Wispy on Nov 19th 2018 at 2:55:45 AM

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#19050: Nov 19th 2018 at 4:44:42 AM

We even have a trope about this: Missing White Woman Syndrome

Disgusted, but not surprised

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