First thing's first: KEEP. THIS. SHIT. CIVIL. If you can't talk about race without resorting to childish insults and rude generalizations or getting angry at people who don't see it your way, leave the thread.
With that said, I bring you to what can hopefully be the general thread about race.
First, a few starter questions.
- How, if at all, do you feel your race affects your everyday life?
- Do you believe that white people (or whatever the majority race in your area is) receive privileges simply because of the color of their skin. How much?
- Do you believe minorities are discriminated against for the same reason? How much?
- Do you believe that assimilation of cultures is better than people trying to keep their own?
- Affirmative Action. Yea, Nay? Why or why not?
Also, a personal question from me.
- Why (in my experience, not trying to generalize) do white people often try to insist that they aren't white? I can't count the number of times I've heard "I'm not white, I'm 1/4th English, 1/4th German, 1/4th Scandinavian 1/8th Cherokee, and 1/8th Russian," as though 4 of 5 of those things aren't considered "white" by the masses. Is it because you have pride for your ancestry, or an attempt to try and differentiate yourself from all those "other" white people? Or something else altogether?
edited 30th May '11 9:16:04 PM by Wulf
This is just the dumbest shit
So in other words: The alt-right assumed a woman was saying yes to them because she didn't explicitly say no?
Welcome to Estalia, gentlemen.That might just about sum it up.
It's one thing to make a spectacle. It's another to make a difference.There's apparently been a surge of voter registration since Swift made her statement, which the people at vote.org are attributing to her.
Which could mean either a surge of liberal voters or a surge of angry alt-righters. Or both.
Edited by M84 on Oct 9th 2018 at 10:35:55 PM
Disgusted, but not surprisedConsidering that the alt-right isn't actually that big and that this has little reason to motivate Republican voters I'm going to assume that it's liberal voters until proven otherwise.
"Sandwiches are probably easier to fix than the actual problems" -HylarnAlso in general spikes in voter registration don't favor Republicans. It's why their tactics favor voter suppression.
Edited by sgamer82 on Oct 9th 2018 at 9:07:16 AM
Yeah, spite votes arent their thing, they prefer harrasment.
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"Pretty sure a significant amount of Trump votes were t spite liberals.
It's one thing to make a spectacle. It's another to make a difference.Maybe I just dont know if alt right are that kind of people, they prefer stright out harrasment.
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"I don't think so, owning the libs is one of their motivations but it's not the main one. For Trump white racial resentment was far stronger than just owning their opponents, as a rule, people prefer to vote for something instead of just voting against an opponent.
Edited by Fourthspartan56 on Oct 9th 2018 at 2:12:27 PM
"Sandwiches are probably easier to fix than the actual problems" -HylarnEven the people who did vote against Hillary wern’t doing it specifically to “own the libs” but because they’d bought into proganda and fear about Hillary. It wasn’t spite that motivated them, it was fear and lies.
The alt right aren’t going to be registering to vote in droves, simply because a large amount of them can’t, due to being foreign nations (often Russians) and/or being under 18. Much of the hate and anger we see on Twitter and reddit is literal children, Russian intelligence operatives and assholes with no political interest beyond pissing people off with minimal effort.
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ CyranTrump calls on blacks to 'honor' him with votes, then praises Confederate general Robert E. Lee.
Sounds like he's going for a very Overly Narrow Superlative part of the black demographic with that namedrop.
I mean, it's fair to say that he's got the vote of an African-American. Until Kanye's spiral accelerates and he declares Donald Trump a traitor to the Dread Empire of Ye, anyway.
What's precedent ever done for us?Good. The sooner we stop treating Kanye like he or his opinion is relevant to politics, the better.
It's been fun.Asks for black votes.
Then immediately praises Confederate general.
Yeah , seems bout right for Trump.
Trump probably still believes in Drapetomania.
Disgusted, but not surprisedI can't help but feel that Trump praised Lee after demanding support from African-Americans is because his whiteness level drop after that demand, so he must praise Lee to boost his whiteness level up.
And Trump and Kanye are 100% perfect for each other.
I'm not as witty as I think I am. It's a scientifically-proven fact.Two rich idiots with a desperate need for attention who feel persecuted by the world because they aren't bowing down at their feet? Absolutely.
It's one thing to make a spectacle. It's another to make a difference.Hye, managing soport for black people and racist is a very dificult act.
"My Name is Bolt, Bolt Crank and I dont care if you believe or not"I suppose it would be if they actually tried, but Republican efforts are limited to saying that black people should vote for them and then courting white racists. At best it's a token effort.
"Sandwiches are probably easier to fix than the actual problems" -HylarnI wouldn't even call it a token effort when Republicans go out of their way to keep black people from voting. Unless it's a token effort to not look racist to their own base.
Even if it was, it'd probably end up backfiring on them; the racism is what they're there for.
It's one thing to make a spectacle. It's another to make a difference.
Going back to Taylor Swift . . .
Washington Post: "A betrayal beyond words": The far right melts down over Taylor Swift's endorsement of Democrats
The news caught 4chan and Reddit trolls mid-post. On the pro-Trump r/The_Donald board, someone had just written out a sexual fantasy in which Swift and Kanye West hooked up because "Trump being the best president is actually something they both agree on." The author edited the post minutes later: "NVM didn't realize Taylor sold out to the left."
Missives about Swift's perceived betrayal of conservatism clogged far-right message boards. Some simply refused to believe what she had written to her 112 million Instagram followers Sunday evening - a 400-word condemnation of "systemic racism," homophobia and Rep. Marsha Blackburn, the GOP Senate candidate in her home state of Tennessee, complete with Swift's endorsement of two Democrats: Phil Bredesen, the party's Senate candidate, and Rep. Jim Cooper.
"This is more than likely from Democratic MK ultra forces from above," m3Me_Magic wrote on The_Donald. "I highly doubt Swift decided to become political at the 11th hour all on her own."
That a 28-year-old celebrity - even one who had previously kept her politics private - would weigh in on a potentially crucial midterm election seems much less strange than the story of how the far-right Internet came to believe Swift was their secret ally - "our girl," as many put it.
The delusion traces back to the middle of the Obama administration, 2011, when a certain fraction of 4chan users convinced themselves that Swift had let them name her cat.
In some ways, it's not much different from how every other conspiracy theory arises out of nonsense on that anonymous message board:
Among the hundreds of thousands of posts written on 4chan that November, one was a kitten-naming contest. The winning name was Meredith, which - lo and behold - was also the name of Swift's new kitten, according to a People Magazine article that 4chan users subsequently passed around in astonishment.
The fact that Swift had named her kitten Meredith at least three days before the contest was held made little difference to those who convinced themselves she was a secret 4chan user. Amateur sleuths began sifting through the website in search of more supposed secret messages from the pop star, coming up with a photo of someone's window blinds that looked like Swift's and an anonymous message from a "conservative" "entertainer" who claimed to be "one of the 50 most famous people on the planet."
A myth that began with a kitten took a dark turn a few years later, when a neo-Nazi blogger came across a joke meme that mashed up photos of Swift with quotes from Adolf Hitler. He apparently mistook these as authentic and published them on the Daily Stormer under the headline: "Aryan Goddess Taylor Swift: Nazi Avatar of the White European People."
Probably not many people believed Swift was a Nazi - but between the 4chan rumors and the Daily Stormer memes, a vague but widespread belief spread across right-wing circles that the star was on their side.
"Swift is very white and very blonde," Milo Yiannopoulos wrote on Breitbart in 2016. "She was born on, and grew up in, a Christmas tree farm in rural Pennsylvania. You heard me right: a Christmas tree farm. Little wonder the tradition-oriented alt-right are swooning."
More than swooning - they were expecting.
"Taylor Swift will soon come out of the MAGA closet," reads a typical post from that era on The_Donald, complete with a doctored photo of the star in a "Make America Great Again" hat.
"Taylor Swift is secretly based," a user called MrGreggle wrote on Reddit last year, after learning she had sent flowers to a police officer injured in the Las Vegas massacre. "She gets flak all the time for refusing to become a leftist spokesperson and she let 4chan name her cat."
To be sure, there were warning signs, if anyone cared to look. "I've never seen this country so happy about a political decision in my entire time of being alive," she told Rolling Stone at age 19, after the election of Barack Obama. She came out for gun control in March. She was shown on Time magazine's "Person of the Year" cover in 2017 as one of the "silence breakers" fighting back against sexual harassment. The cover story cited her legal battle with former radio DJ David Mueller, whom she accused of sexual misconduct.
But hope springs eternal until it suddenly goes dry, which it did abruptly Sunday night.
Mr Greggle redistributed his allegiance to the libertarian punk musician Michale Graves after seeing Swift's Instagram post. Another regular on The_Donald who had once sung her praises claimed he didn't listen to her.
"I would say 90% of T_D thought she was 'our girl,'"added dieselnut, who a few hours earlier had been celebrating photos of police "groping" women protesting Supreme Court nominee Brett M. Kavanaugh. "No hard feelings fellas, but let's not claim them as our own until they prove they love America."
"GG, you just lost over half of your fanbase, including me," Swimming Junky wrote in one of The_Donald's most popular posts Monday morning, up-voted by thousands of people. (Even the president said Monday that he likes Swift's music "about 25 percent less now, OK?")
And where there was not despondency, there was anger.
"Nobody pisses off 4chan," wrote Martian Space Cat. "She will regret this move for that reason alone."
Maybe. Even on a good day, 4chan's overtly misogynistic /pol/ board is awash in rants from men angry at "feminists" and "social justice warriors" they believe have taken over society.
As you'd expect, the mood was more foul than usual after the forum's imaginary protege declared her real feelings. The Washington Post's language policies prevent linking to most of what 4chan had to say.
Suffice to say, a meme of Pepe the Frog openly weeping with a gun to his head appeared in one of the most popular threads, more or less summing up the mood.