First thing's first: KEEP. THIS. SHIT. CIVIL. If you can't talk about race without resorting to childish insults and rude generalizations or getting angry at people who don't see it your way, leave the thread.
With that said, I bring you to what can hopefully be the general thread about race.
First, a few starter questions.
- How, if at all, do you feel your race affects your everyday life?
- Do you believe that white people (or whatever the majority race in your area is) receive privileges simply because of the color of their skin. How much?
- Do you believe minorities are discriminated against for the same reason? How much?
- Do you believe that assimilation of cultures is better than people trying to keep their own?
- Affirmative Action. Yea, Nay? Why or why not?
Also, a personal question from me.
- Why (in my experience, not trying to generalize) do white people often try to insist that they aren't white? I can't count the number of times I've heard "I'm not white, I'm 1/4th English, 1/4th German, 1/4th Scandinavian 1/8th Cherokee, and 1/8th Russian," as though 4 of 5 of those things aren't considered "white" by the masses. Is it because you have pride for your ancestry, or an attempt to try and differentiate yourself from all those "other" white people? Or something else altogether?
edited 30th May '11 9:16:04 PM by Wulf
Oh, bother.
The January 6th riot...
Disgusted, but not surprised
Idea Seeker
Is it because of a misguided form of showing compassion , even if shallow? Or thinking it would avoid angering the white male population even if they don't dominate it?
You can't kill art.
Anka Aquila
I don't think it's compassion so much fear of angering even more people than they want by doing what should be done, at least in the case of the Confederacy and the January 6th riots.
Instead of focusing on relatives that divide us, maybe we should try to find the absolutes that tie us.
The Unknown Unknown
Either that or they just want to leave things alone and move on with life (which is very understandable), but the kinds that start the Confederacy or the Jan 6th riots won't do either of those things, so really, they should never be treated with kid gloves.
A cruel, sick joke is still a joke, and sometimes all you can do is laugh.
Idea Seeker
Right.
It makes me wonder if them working with a foreign empire who openly invaded the US will set the difference or not.
You can't kill art.
Professional Writer & Amateur Scholar
Heh, once I'm done with my current alternate history webnovel, set in early 20th century America and involving both World Wars, I'm planning to write several more set in America.
First two of them will involve American Revolutionary War and the American Civil War...with slavery being an important topic in both of them.
I should really research about the history of slavery in American history...and figure out if there were any ways to free them much earlier than in the original history.
I'm a (socialist) professional writer serializing a WWII alternate history webnovel.
Organized Canine Bureau Special Agent
https://www.asahi.com/ajw/articles/15225715
An Asahi editorial mentions the view of German expat Marei Mentlein, who lived in Japan for 16 years. Based on her experience in seeing Germany accept immigrants/refugees who are not white/Anglo Saxon, Marei said that it's about time Japan accepts non-Asian immigrants in the wake of the "controversy" of Karolina Shiino.
The editorial mentions, in part, the "kikoku-shijo" (students who have returned from abroad). They're sometimes as "un-Japanese" as they grew up in a non-Japanese environment.
"Exit muna si Polgas. Ang kailangan dito ay si Dobermaxx!"
he/him
I don't think it's appeared much as an independent nation in fiction, although it sounds like an interesting setting for a historical story.
It was pretty much always possible to free slaves, usually through a will when someone died, as a reward for service or by allowing a slave to earn a meagre wage and buy their freedom. By the revolutionary war there were free black men fighting on both sides Agrippa Hull comes to mind. Born to freed slaves, served as camp aid to Kościuszko and was given a veterans pension by Washington after the war.
So, Ashley Allison is getting ripped apart for calling O.J. Simpson a hero.
Except that's not what she said.
Allison is merely summarizing how race played a major factor in how this trial was perceived by the black community because of the LAPD's history of racism. She is not condoning the murders, let alone calling Simpson a hero to the media or anyone else.
Well, she's not wrong. It used to be that only powerful rich white men could get away with murder.
Progress!?
Oh, bother.
Unironically, the OJ trial's verdict was a moment for the black community. It was when they realized that rich black men could also get away with murder.
Disgusted, but not surprised
so i made a new avatar
OJ walked so R. Kelly could run.
Yes, I'm aware the latter has not killed anyone as far as we know, I'm simply comparing to rich and powerful black men who have committed horrid atrocities.
Also, that's a New York Post story. That alone makes makes the framing suspicious.
Edited by PhysicalStamina on Apr 14th 2024 at 7:45:36 AM
To pity someone is to tell them "I feel bad about being better than you."
Hero of the Winds
I know this is a tired quote that has probably lost meaning.
But two wrongs, in this case two crimes, do not suddenly make a right.
I discover my own destiny as I command the winds of life!
Oh, bother.
That's good because no one was saying O.J. getting off for murder was right here.
Disgusted, but not surprised
Organized Canine Bureau Special Agent
https://www.asahi.com/ajw/articles/15230278
Civil lawsuit in Japan against the TMPD for racial discrimination against three Japanese residents with foreign ancestry.
Note that the country has no anti-discrimination law.
Edited by Ominae on Apr 15th 2024 at 6:56:47 AM
"Exit muna si Polgas. Ang kailangan dito ay si Dobermaxx!"
Man one of my friends dad is TMPD I know they do racial profiling, there pretty open and honest about it and why if you ask them outside of a legal proceeding.
Stopping forigeners and asking them for there paperwork is seen as a task that is relitivly easy to do (look for the person of non Japanese ancestry), quick (they have it or they dont), and of very little risk of escalating (not a major stop and with people unlikely to resist), therefore the perfect task to use to train Junior Officers on how to conduct stops and questioning.
None of this of which is an excuse, I hope they loose this case because even if it hadnt caught Japanese nationals racial profiling is bad.
Its more just... bewilderment that there open about what is going on, then like expect "no we dont do that" to fly in court rather then just asking "where does the law say we cant"
Edited by Imca on Apr 16th 2024 at 12:24:27 AM
Organized Canine Bureau Special Agent
I got these details from the Mainichi in regards to the lawsuit:
In addition to 3.3 million yen (about $22,000) each in compensation, the plaintiffs are demanding confirmation from the Tokyo and Aichi Prefectural governments that it is illegal for police officers to stop and question a person because of their race or nationality, and confirmation that the National Police Agency (NPA) is responsible for directing and making sure forces across Japan don't engage in racial profiling.
Taniguchi said the plaintiffs' legal team had obtained internal police documents instructing officers to target people for questioning "based on appearance, such as racial features." He said these included an Aichi Prefectural Police field training manual telling young officers, "For those who appear to be foreigners at first glance and those who do not speak Japanese, firmly believe that they have, without exception, committed some sort of illegal act."
That last line is the sort of racist you would think they wouldn’t be stupid enough to put to paper.
Organized Canine Bureau Special Agent
Sad to see that the negative pushback against this is that the peeps doing the lawsuit "must have done something wrong" and "Japan's not racist".
I just had to laugh at these people, especially if they're in Japan.
Edited by Ominae on Apr 30th 2024 at 4:14:00 AM
"Exit muna si Polgas. Ang kailangan dito ay si Dobermaxx!"
I can confirm that I was stopped for my residence card in Tokyo, though only once, by a pair of officers (I'm white). I can't say if it was for "training purposes" or not.
Edited by RedSavant on Apr 16th 2024 at 12:54:54 AM
It's been fun.
Organized Canine Bureau Special Agent
I assume that these guys are uniformed.
I got stopped once, but that was in HK by a team of plainclothes officers.
"Exit muna si Polgas. Ang kailangan dito ay si Dobermaxx!"
Foreign Troper
So, I am not 100% sure if this is a perfect fit here, but since it all was about a Black Lives Matter case, and it will obviously affect those the most, I am posting it here.
The 5th Circuit basically made protesting illegal in Louisiana, Mississippi, and Texas.
More specifically, protest organizers (DeRay Mckesson in this case) can now be found liable for the illegal actions of protestors.
And the Supreme Court declined to hear an appeal, so it is basically set in stone now.
Certified: 48.0% West Asian, 6.5% South Asian, 15.8% North/West European, 15.7% English, 7.4% Balkan, 6.6% Scandinavian
But only the kind of protests republicans don’t like. KKK protests and the like will be a-okay.
The government letting traitors off easily honestly became kind of a pattern in US history.
The Confederacy, the Business Plot, Kissinger
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Edited by DrunkenNordmann on Apr 10th 2024 at 12:15:49 PM
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