Justice League

Well, Wonder Woman needed decades to finally get one movie even though she had a pretty successful TV show and was certainly better known than the likes of Steel, Jonah Hex, Blade or freaking Howard the Duck IS political. After the success of the Batman movies, she would have logically the next in line.

Also, I agree. You need to earn your downer ending.

Also Is not just movies, between series or games like arkhan series batman is pretty damn know, make him comparable to spiderman, marvel pull it off by a) make him VERY young and b) tie him to tony stark. So for me Young batman is just regular batman doing what we always done.

I find that silly that you "Need" a downer ending while happy ending are to be expected, even if they are lazy.

Also like other said infinity war get a downer because is a two part and because people already know much of the cast is going to come back.

"Need to earn" not "need". And the reason is simply that downer endings otherwise look like just being there for shock effect.

And like other’s said Infinity War’s ending worked because it was the build-up to over a decade of movies with characters you have become heavily attached too.

Compared to this which would have been a build-up of 3 movies & characters you barely know shit about.

I will said the same with happy ending, more that people are used to it, specially in superhero movie who are wish fulliment.

I mean I always said Civil war should have end in a dower ending.

I dunno, the fact people know more of this chararter would come back suport it, since there are chararter black panter who only have one movie behind it and yet it shock what happen regardless.

Yes people know they are coming back, it doesn’t matter.

It’s like saying the good guy wins because of course they do.

What matters is it’s done well enough, execution is all that matters. It’s part of enjoying & immersing yourself in the story.

Nobody cares that they are not permanently dead, they are too busy enjoying the ride.

Edited by slimcoder on Feb 1st 2019 at 1:39:52 AM

I mean, it is an uphill battle making me care about a character's death when I'm positive they're coming back. It's why T'Challa's death in IW didn't move me, and part of why Supes' just made me roll my eyes.

Which is why credit where credit's due, Spider-Man's death making me actually tear up is damn impressive.

Eh, it's about as Bittersweet Ending as you can get. It had a somber tone, but no one died, most characters' futures were established to be fine (what with Cap breaking his allies out, Bucky getting treatment, T'Challa getting justice and all), and implications were in place to say "this will be fixed" rather than "this could be fixed."

You're describing more of a "Ray of Hope" Ending and Civil War was way more positive than that.

Edited by Larkmarn on Feb 1st 2019 at 4:45:06 AM

Civil War did have a unhappy ending. It has a little bit of hope attached to it, but it was still quite depressing overall. It might not quite qualify as a downer for that reason, but it is still not a happy end.

Edited by Swanpride on Feb 1st 2019 at 1:41:46 AM

As it stands now, Matt Reeves' Batman script clocks in at 160 pages.

For context, if 1 page equals 1 minute, 160 pages means 2.6 hours.

That's a usual screenwriter truism, yes, but it's just a rough estimate. In the case of this, a superhero movie, there stands the general issue that scripts don't tend to describe in detail action scenes (that's the choreographer's job), so even if you go "1 page = 1 minute" to a tee, the finished film would likely be considerably longer due the likely presence of minutes-consuming action scenes. I'd broadly guess (sticking to that principle) maybe three hours or close to it depending how many action scenes the film has, but probably at least ten minutes of it.

He's probably going to trim some of that during shooting or in the editing room.

Edited by Gaon on Feb 1st 2019 at 4:27:40 AM

But how do you keep it from being just another Batman movie? Are there any comic arcs that would make good movies?

Ohhhh as a fan of the cartoons there are TONS of interesting arcs,it's all a matter of finding a story that works as a film

I'm fond of Clayface or Scarface

Even if you don't want to truly dwell into Batman's vast rogues gallery (like the aforementioned Clayface and Scarface, or the likes of Hugo Strange), you have ones who showed up in movies but we never used to their full potential like Mr. Freeze, The Riddler Scarecrow, who showed up in previous movies but weren't really well-used. The latter two, in specific, would be great for more detective-based stories if that's what they want to do.

I'd love to see a live-action Mister Freeze that looks like the DCAU version, rather than the Batman & Robin version.

Larmark: for me it was the oposite: peter death feel overblow and narmy to me and I didnt care, but Tchalla did in how sudden it was, specially with the layer of irony of him telling oyoke that the battle isnt done yet.

"You're describing more of a Ray of Hope Ending and Civil War was way more positive than that."

Yeah, the airport battle was pretty fun until the end when it suddenly wasnt, the ending establish rodey will turn fine and the "tony stank" while good, turn the mood to be more hopefull, specially since Tony tantrum didnt amount to much, the fact it end with cap breaking while tripumph music is hard to said is somber ending at all....which I feel is cheating.

The problem is not the villian but batman itself, without something is just another bat movie and we have tons of it, animated and live action.

This why I didnt want young batman.

It was a quick moment, a couple seconds at least, don’t see how it was overblown or particularly narmy really.

This Batman movie better be adapting something brand new because by God I am tired of the Joker.

As long as they are too afraid to use 90% of the Batman lore - meaning the Batfamily - I fear we are back in familiar territory, no matter which villain they use.

Edited post.

Edited by windleopard on Feb 2nd 2019 at 2:32:46 AM

Is there even a chance for Robin to appear on screen without being aged up?

Depends on which Robin. If it is Dick or Jason, they can just use their adult identities which are fairly popular. Tim has been depicted in his mid to late teens before. Damian is the youngest of the Robins but since Cass Cain is appearing in Birds of Prey, WB may not be adverse to using kid characters.

Only if WB grows some balls. I think they could easily introduce a 12 to 14 year old circus brat and focus on his interaction with Bruce while keeping him mostly out of the big battle stuff. It's tricky, but it is doable. Hell, Marvel already showed them how it is done. Yes, Peter has powers while Dick has not, but if you use the "you either have him with you or he will go off on your own argument", you can sell Batman having him around without looking completely irresponsible.

Edited by Swanpride on Feb 2nd 2019 at 3:09:27 AM

Well, MCU Spider-man is 16, which is easier to accept, compared to a 12 year old with less emotional maturity and physical fitness. The only way I'm seeing it work is if Bruce adopts Dick at age 12, but trains him until he's at least a teenager.

MCU Spider-Man is 14 in Civil War. You can easily age up Dick for two years, or you have him 12 when Bruce adopts him, but have a small time-jump in the movie, making him 14 when he figures out who Bruce truly is and/or finding a trace to his parent killer.

It is doable.

I'll go for the second option, since Dick obviously mirrors Bruce in the murdered parents department and Dick being 12 is closer to when Bruce lost his parents. Granted 2 years affects little in regards to how someone handles losing their parents, but a 12 year old obviously looks more like a child than a 14 year old.

You know...I somehow like the second option better too, if for no other reason than me thinking that Bruce would be able to keep his secret for more than five minutes. Plus, this would give the movie more time to develop the relationship between Dick and Bruce, before delving into the relationship between Robin and Batman.

Either way, I do think that it is doable. Especially if they throw out this stupid "we need to be realistic" idea and go for a heightened reality instead. Remember, throw some magic in and you can have a story about a 12 year old fighting evil wizards in a school without someone batting an eye. So, throw some uber-Gothic designs and costumes in and nobody will bat an eye about a 14 year old hunting deranged criminals.