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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#12101: May 28th 2023 at 12:28:19 PM

Meanwhile, The Pit is sad.

Plus a but of wistful writing a happy ending to historical tragedy.

Aau's Song is a gorgeous and really interesting. There's another existing Jedi - one in canon - whose thing is connecting to the Force through sound and music, right?

Edited by KnownUnknown on May 28th 2023 at 12:33:36 PM

"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.
EmperorGeode Not the Eye from A Galaxy far, far away Since: Oct, 2022 Relationship Status: On the prowl
Not the Eye
#12102: May 28th 2023 at 4:08:10 PM

Yes Avar Kriss from The High Republic.

Okay her thing is more viewing Force as music rather than using it to comment to it.

Edited by EmperorGeode on May 28th 2023 at 4:09:22 AM

Avenger09 Since: May, 2014
#12103: Jun 14th 2023 at 5:09:51 PM

I originally thought that the Banshee was a discarded apprentice, since it fit with the Unseelie legends of taking children away and returning them to their home old and decrepit, while little time has passed until I came across this analysis of Screechers Reach, which paints a different picture.

https://www.tumblr.com/sepublic/718510433991081984/ive-seen-some-people-interpret-the-cycle-of

Edited by Avenger09 on Jun 14th 2023 at 1:12:00 PM

RedSavant Since: Jan, 2001
#12104: Jun 21st 2023 at 3:06:34 AM

Just finished up the Visions 2 collection myself! I'll collect my thoughts if anyone's interested.

    Unmarked Spoilers Here 

  • Sith - Very artistic, and I loved the way the aesthetics are used to tell the story and showcase how Lola uses and feels the Force. I'll give the team points for not going with the standard blue saber even as I do think the two-colored saber was a bit heavy-handed. Is this the first instance of a Force-sensitive artist?
  • Screecher's Reach - Always good to see the Wolf Walkers studio at work, and I liked the tapestry-esque shot at the beginning showing the mine and workplace. I see there's already analysis going around (gonna have to read [up] that shortly), but even on a casual viewing there was a lot to like there. Especially interesting is the way the Sith is portrayed visually and (almost) textually as an angel, and how she essentially does exactly what the Jedi do - some even in other shorts in this season. Show up, collect a child, rip them away from their connections.
  • In the Stars - Cool animation style and aesthetics. I think the Empire lends itself well to environmental messages, since it's literally a giant colonial fascist empire. The monument covered with handprints was a great visual, and really got me.
  • I Am Your Mother - Aardman Studios and you can really tell. Interesting to see their style in the Star Wars universe, though there isn't too much more to say beyond that. This one definitely feels like a counterpart to The Twins, in terms of "big-name studio just kind of does what they already do except with Star Wars paint," though more enjoyable than that one.
  • Journey to the Dark Head - Probably my second least favorite, not because of anything it did wrong - it was well-animated and the character designs were cool - but because it didn't seem to have much, well, vision to it. Suffers from coming after another short with "light and dark must coexist" and from not going as far as others did to interrogate the Jedi mindset.
  • The Spy Dancer - Now this one was cool. The aesthetic and thematic choices seem definitely intended to bring to mind the WW2 French resistance (though with the Empire forces given American accents?), and I'm always a sucker for a good sci-fi diva scene. The lieutenant having to mutilate himself to fit in with the Empire also adds a touch of darkness. I could see these character designs being used in a series or something, they're very sharp.
  • The Bandits of Golak - Probably the weakest both animation-wise and script-wise, in my book. Rani is probably the protagonist who most wants to get caught by the Empire in the past few years, and feels more like a plot device than a character. This one also criticizes the Jedi for their practice of taking Force-sensitive children and fucking off, though it feels like it's not interested in remembering that Charuk now has no home, no family, and no place to go.
  • The Pit - Very metaphorical, and has some anvils to drop that need to be dropped. Some of the choices felt very pointed, particularly that it's a young black man who's killed by the police. Some very artistic shots here too. The timelapses were impressive.
  • Aau's Song - This was just adorable, and honestly delightful. It's the first time I've seen a Force user sing, and it feels like such a natural fit that I'm amazed I haven't seen it before. Great designs here too, and a great aesthetic. I don't think the stars are ready for how cute Aau is.

It's been fun.
Avenger09 Since: May, 2014
#12105: Jun 21st 2023 at 4:56:04 AM

[up]

Except in Screecher's Reach it's framed like a test set by The Fair Folk, which endangers the child to see if their worthy. Which really does make it the Sith version of Jedi adoption.

WillKeaton from Alberta, Canada Since: Jun, 2010
#12106: Jun 22nd 2023 at 5:06:41 PM

I think my favourite was "I am your Mother" the mother daughter family race, just because it was so different. I also really liked "Screecher's Reach" the one with the kids going into the cave to see the ghost, and "The Spy Dancer" with the spy, who was also a dancer.

The opening text of "Aau's Song," the stuff about the Sith poisoning a specific vein of kyber crystal. Is that canon?

Edited by WillKeaton on Jun 22nd 2023 at 6:06:50 AM

BadWolf21 The Fastest Man Alive Since: May, 2010
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RedSavant Since: Jan, 2001
#12108: Jun 23rd 2023 at 6:22:25 AM

None of it's canon, but I feel like that helps it feel more exciting, honestly. Especially with the mainline series going into fractal spinoffs about the woman who shot the guy who lived upstairs from the person who sewed Han's vest, it's nice to have a property that doesn't feel constrained to the chains of canon and can embrace the (nebulous, subjective) "spirit" of Star Wars. I'm also thinking of shorts like "The Village Bride" and "The Ninth Jedi" here, alongside "Sith" and "Aau's Song" from series 2.

It's been fun.
Moth13 Since: Sep, 2010
#12109: Jun 23rd 2023 at 6:24:34 AM

It's all canon! From a certain point of view....

BadWolf21 The Fastest Man Alive Since: May, 2010
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#12110: Jun 23rd 2023 at 6:31:28 AM

[up][up]Oh yeah, not being constrained to fitting canon is great for Visions. It lets each studio establish its own tone, and when that lands, it leaves a fucking crater (*cough The Spy Dancer cough*).

There’s still lots of room for stories in canon, though. Don’t know why that’s catching snark.

[up] No. I get the joke, but that’s not how canon works, and it’s not a productive way to answer a genuine question.

Edited by BadWolf21 on Jun 23rd 2023 at 8:31:59 AM

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#12111: Jun 28th 2023 at 12:55:24 PM

With Bad Batch ending next season, what's the next Star Ward cartoon we want after?

Personally I'm tempted by a Mandalorian Civil War series. We get to see fresh padawaan Obi-Wan under the tutelage of Qui-gon Jin and Jedi Master Dooku. In addition to seeing oragins of The Armourer and Foundling Jango Fett. But it's a premise with a limited remit so perhaps better suited to a live action limited series, if they're willing to recast characters ten years younger than they are in Phantom Menace.

But what really has me hooked is the idea of series with Leia, Luke, Lando Han and teenaged Ben dealing with the three simultaneous threats of all the Palpatine clones Thrawn's lot has made (including Rey's dad), the Sith Eternal cult who turn up out of no where to steal some of those clones, and the First Order who end up having the Eternal's puppet Snoke supplanting their leadership.

It's crazy to me that Luke, Han and Leia are the central trio of the films that made this saga but haven't appeared together in watchable Media since.

However such a project would have to be put on hold until like the Mandoverse movie has been completed to ensure it doesn't step on the toes of on going plot threads. Maybe that's the correct time scale for a new animated show's pre production, maybe not.

Edited by Whowho on Jun 28th 2023 at 2:11:10 AM

BadWolf21 The Fastest Man Alive Since: May, 2010
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#12112: Jun 28th 2023 at 2:29:49 PM

I think whenever it’s set, it’s not going to be focused on the existing major characters in that era. It’ll be a new cast, with appearances from characters we’re familiar with, like all the animated shows past The Clone Wars have been.

EDIT: I do keep coming back to the fact that Lucasfilm put The Old Republic on their recent official publishing eras timeline, with absolutely nothing announced to be set then (unless the currently-in-limbo KOTOR remake is supposed to be canon). That’s an era with a lot of potential for Jedi vs. Sith adventures that you can’t get in other time periods.

Edited by BadWolf21 on Jun 28th 2023 at 4:35:18 AM

TobiasDrake Queen of Good Things, Honest (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
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#12113: Jun 28th 2023 at 2:33:27 PM

Hopefully High Republic something or other. Star Wars is trying to flesh this out as a thing, and it'd be nice to get some media for it that isn't just a bunch of novels that no one reads.

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BadWolf21 The Fastest Man Alive Since: May, 2010
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#12114: Jun 28th 2023 at 2:41:02 PM

Geez, High Republic catching strays…

This thread is not the target audience, but Young Jedi Adventures is out there right now. For something geared less toward the pre-K crowd, The Acolyte is coming sometime in the next 18 months, and Jedi: Survivor had heavy High Republic influences in its story.

Feels weird to criticize something that explicitly started as a publishing initiative for being primarily featured in books…

Edited by BadWolf21 on Jun 28th 2023 at 4:41:14 AM

TobiasDrake Queen of Good Things, Honest (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
Queen of Good Things, Honest
#12115: Jun 28th 2023 at 2:47:49 PM

Yeah, and Star Wars was just supposed to be three movies about this guy named Luke and nothing else.

No reason to be hostile to expanding beyond the original scope.

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Whowho Since: May, 2012
#12116: Jun 28th 2023 at 2:53:56 PM

You're right it'll probably be a cast of original characters (and for me that was the best part of Rebels) but then that raises the question of when in the timeline you set it and about what characters.

The High Republic is an interesting idea, but I expect The Acolyte is tasked with debuting that era to watchable media. Or at least I don't want to be hyped for The High Republic until after I've seen that property.

Edit: [up] sure, and I've really enjoyed the expanded setting, but that doesn't mean I no longer enjoy the original premise of Star Wars wouldn't wouldn't like to revisit it at some point given there's so much Star Ward being made now.

Edited by Whowho on Jun 28th 2023 at 2:56:01 AM

BadWolf21 The Fastest Man Alive Since: May, 2010
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#12117: Jun 28th 2023 at 2:55:38 PM

[up][up]Are you ok? Maybe take a step back and a deep breath. No one’s being hostile. I was pointing out that they are expanding the scope.

[up] The Acolyte is coming well before The Bad Batch finishes up. A new animated series wouldn’t be interfering with it at all.

Edited by BadWolf21 on Jun 28th 2023 at 4:57:26 AM

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#12118: Jun 28th 2023 at 3:01:31 PM

Wasn’t it originally going to be nine? Then it became three, then six, then nine again! [lol]

EmperorGeode Not the Eye from A Galaxy far, far away Since: Oct, 2022 Relationship Status: On the prowl
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#12119: Jun 29th 2023 at 3:55:16 AM

Actually I think it was originaly suposed to be 12 movies!

Yeah if I had to choose next animated series High Republic (though yeah Young Jedi Adventures are already a thing) or closer to Sequel era than Mandoverse would be my primary choices.

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#12120: Jun 29th 2023 at 4:25:14 AM

Basically anything between The Clone Wars and a handful of years after the mando verse is 30 year stretch I don't want any new properties announced for, for at least a little while.

Lando, Ashoka, future seasons of Mandalorian and Boba Fett and Andor have that era pretty much sorted.

I'm sure some of the tales of the Jedi shorts will dip into that era, and those will be great, but there's more to be done outside of it.

BadWolf21 The Fastest Man Alive Since: May, 2010
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#12121: Jun 29th 2023 at 4:30:37 AM

I wouldn’t be shocked though if the next show transitioned from The Bad Batch into something immediately following it, the same way the first Bad Batch episode literally had the Clone Wars title card morph into the new one.

Edited by BadWolf21 on Jun 29th 2023 at 6:30:58 AM

EmperorGeode Not the Eye from A Galaxy far, far away Since: Oct, 2022 Relationship Status: On the prowl
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#12122: Jun 29th 2023 at 4:39:16 AM

Well to be fair, good deal of age of Empire is relatively unexplored in canon as well. I think Charles Soule’s Vader comic and Obi-Wan Kenobi are only major works that go more than a few years into Empire’s reight and more than five before A New Hope.

Kostya (Unlucky Thirteen)
#12123: Jun 29th 2023 at 4:58:20 AM

The Jedi video games also cover that period if I recall. Also tbh I hope the next show isn't set in the Empire era. I'm sick of it. Give us something new

BadWolf21 The Fastest Man Alive Since: May, 2010
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#12124: Jun 29th 2023 at 5:12:53 AM

Also, Solo, and all of its tie-in material.

Edited by BadWolf21 on Jun 29th 2023 at 7:20:27 AM

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#12125: Jun 29th 2023 at 5:22:08 AM

The Lando series would likely take place in that era too.

I feel like I have a pretty strong understanding of how the Empire worked and what it was like to live in it, and I don’t really have any glaring questions about it left. Same with the clone wars immediately before it. I still have some questions about the decade immediately after the empire, but the Mandoverse is likely to fill in those holes soon.

Meanwhile the two decades prior to the sequel films I’m almost entirely blank on (and a lot of stuff during the sequel films too), and likewise anything before Phantom Menace is largely an interesting mystery to me.

It’s true that there’s seven years or so between Bad Batch and Kenobi/Solo where we haven’t seen much, but we can still infer a lot about that time and I’d imagine we’re less likely to be surprised.

Don’t get me wrong I like the Empire Era it’s a great status quo for story telling, it’s just loosing it’s ability to feel new.


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