My god, the spoilers! : Ever 17

There is literally more white text than black. And it's not just bad editing. Well, there is some white natter, but nothing extreme. The problem is, that the story is so twist-based, that practically everything is a spoiler. For example, as the page itself mentions, "it's kind of amusing when even listing the bishonen trope involves major spoilers." (By the way, this one is because The protagonist we see with that name, and the other protagonist with the bishie face, are secretly different people.

Could we just put up a bolded note that discussing the game's plot fundamentally relies on spoilers, so don't read it, if you ever plan to play the game?

If we do this, we need some way to start the examples lower, right now the first entry would be at the bottom of my monitor, and it's a pretty huge Tomato in the Mirror kind of reveal.

My advice would be to folderize it. List spoiler free tropes above and then a spoilered folder underneath.

This. I think this was what was decided on to fix some other pages in the past.

That would be an awfully short folder, more than 90% of the tropes are spoiler marked, and to be fair, even more should be. The page description already warns that even now, unmarked stuff can spoil.

That is practical for pages when we want to give a readable page for non-fans, with 90% of the normal content, and collect the few spoiler pages around the bottom of the page. But this time, it would look more like listing a few random, minor tropes, that are all completely unrelated to the plot, in a top folder, and everything meaningful at the bottom. It would still be virtually useless for anyone who wants to browse the folder without reading the game.

With a banner, at least the page would be intuitive.

edited 2nd Feb '11 4:51:44 PM by EternalSeptember

You could folderize the entire example section, and label the folder with a warning about spoilers.

Is there a way to make folders closed by default? Because otherwise it would do nothing with any of the problems.

edited 2nd Feb '11 5:00:58 PM by EternalSeptember

Or something.

edited 2nd Feb '11 5:02:44 PM by SpellBlade

Sometimes I wonder why people create spoilers like that, basically leading you into reading it, there is no flow it is just white bar coming, black text, white again.

Example:

And suddenly there was a blahabalal and then this happened, it was terrible.

• Don't forget that blabababd.

Those are bad, but not too common on this particular page, here the spoilers are longer blocks. The only entry that does that is Obfuscating Stupidity, that helpfully informs us that it is "In... Not only... but also."

Anyways, if there is no way to make folders closed by default, I will try to ask Fast Eddie to implement it as a feature.

edited 3rd Feb '11 4:15:06 AM by EternalSeptember

There's an option in your profile to make them closed (or open) by default.

Okay, if that is the case then I agree with the idea of adding an Unmarked Spoilers banner. People can choose to read at their own risk.

@Bunai: Wait, how are those bad? I vastly prefer those to

• And suddenly there was a blahabalal and then this happened, it was terrible.
  • Don't forget that blabababd.

My understand is that it's generally preferable to spoilerize as little text as possible. You know, just thing things that are actually spoilers.

edited 3rd Feb '11 11:08:32 AM by NativeJovian

Only when you can actually leave a vaguely coherent sentence outside the spoiler marks. You want to aim for something like this:

• Heel–Face Turn: There are a few, but the big one happens midway through the series when Alice discovers that Bob killed her parents and joins the Anti-Bob rebellion.

That's readable whether or not you want to see spoilers. But the alternative isn't:

• Heel–Face Turn: The big one happens when Alice discovers that Bob killed her parents and finally decides to join the rebellion.

It's incoherent if you just read the unspoilered bits, so there might as well not be any unspoilered bits. It would at least look neater that way.

edited 3rd Feb '11 11:29:55 AM by Shale

Basically Shale's example, the breaks are just agitated at times and while I question why someone would put a spoiler at the beginning instead of the end, I only know so many series so I hesitate to do any rewrites.

As for the Tomato page, shouldn't the spoilers be open like certain death trope pages? Unless someone is planning to reformat the whole page?

I think, the death trope notes don't mean that those pages can be completely spoiler tag-free, just that the titles themselves might spoil in some cases.

For example if a drama with an Ill Girl is listed on the Dying Declaration of Love page, no spoiler tag will save you from knowing who will die, as we can't even warn you not to read that entry, because that would be a spoiler on it's own.

But this doesn't mean that in the entry of a long action series, we shouldn't whiten out at least a character's name.

By the way, Fast Eddie said that he could add a closed folder, but it's not a priority on his list, so we will wait until then.

edited 5th Feb '11 6:15:11 AM by EternalSeptember