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Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 10th 2023 at 10:58:13 AM
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Well the Goblin and Spider dynamic is always fun.
But seriously, they are both successors to a Spider/Goblin, both assuming the mantle when they thought the original died, (like that stuck.) Heck, Roderick is even franchising identities for supervillains. Both have this sort of need to prove themselves worthy and have a bit of a problem being stuck in the shadows of their predecessor, albeit moreso in Kingsley's case rather than Miles.
There's more, give me a bit.
EDIT: If not arch-enemy, then at least a more recurring foe. There's a lot of untapped potential I see.
Edited by RedHunter543 on Jan 12th 2021 at 7:34:47 AM
I'll teach you a lesson about just how cruel the world can be. That's my job, as an adult.
If any Hobgoblin is going to be a Miles enemy, Phil Urich makes the most sense.
Not that I agree Miles needs to have a Goblin arch nemesis just because he’s a Spider. It’s kind of like expecting everyone in the bat family to have expies of the Joker as enemies instead of their individual casts.
Also, Hobgoblin isn’t really a “successor” to the Green Goblin’s legacy. He’s more or less his own separate thing.
"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.
From what I recall, the Hobgoblin was the major villain in Hopeless' Spider-Woman series. Not sure whether there's a history there.
Although he's currently dead AFAIK, the Phil Urich Goblin would be a good Miles villain, because the whole impetus for Urich's character is basically "a slightly shadier Peter Parker wearing the costume of Peter's worst enemy". Which is probably why it was inevitable that writers would give him a Face–Heel Turn.
And in light of Spider-Verse, an evil Peter B. Parker would be a good choice. And who knows, maybe Phil could be reworked into a heroic character again?
Hobgoblin was in Bendis's last Miles storyline, but he was portrayed as a whiny loser who I don't think even fought Miles at any point.
The Head of the Hydra
Ah Bendis. Has such a hard time getting characters right.
I’m reminded of when he had Catman drawn as a crying baby in Superman.
Edited by slimcoder on Jan 12th 2021 at 11:06:22 AM
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Funny but not helpful
It’s very very obvious when Bendis doesn’t care for a character or plot point. Insultingly obvious.
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Surrounded by weirdoes
Just say that was some pathetic "client" that Kingsley killed at some point if it ever comes up again.
Wake me up at your own risk.
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In terms of Spider-Verse, I’ve actually seen a few people suggest that the next movie might be a loose Superior Spider-Man adaptation with Peter B, actually.
Some people in the Spider-Verse thread suggested using one of the other evil Spider-Man instead, but a lot of them seemed rather one-note in comparison.
Also, I really like the idea of using the “Let’s do this one last time” monologue from the first movie, only to watch it go off the rails, as we realize, this is not the Peter B that we know. It’s just such a fun way to reuse a previously narrative device, while at the same time, pulling the rug out from under the audience.
He also suggested using Mysterio (based off the comics version, not the one from FFH), as the main villain, which I also like the idea of. He’s a good villain for this type of multiverse story (like in the first “Spider-Men”), and you could do some really fun and trippy things with his illusions in this Animation style.
Edited by megaeliz on Jan 12th 2021 at 2:13:36 PM
Robert Kingslay is a hundred times lamer than Ned Leeds.
Author of The Rules of Supervillainy, Cthulhu Armageddon, and United States of Monsters.
The Head of the Hydra
Huh so there is another version of him.
Robert Kingslay, the loser counterpart of Robert Kingsley.
Well he had a loser twin brother, only a matter of time before he got a loser alternate counterpart.
Edited by slimcoder on Jan 12th 2021 at 10:16:00 AM
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Charles for some reason keeps mispelling the surnames of the goblins, and it is grating.
Another major swerve in ASM today
Who's body has Carlie identified?
And, owch, Peter going to town on Norman reminds me of the brutality he inflicted on him back in 1997 when Norman first publicly resurfaced.
It's Norman Freaking Osborn. The phrase "Peter going to town on Norman" should be one that elicits catharsis. 
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For 5 bucks, get 40 pages of a rich asshole being beaten into paste by a struggling twenty-something he constantly abuses. For seven, the black kid and a punk girl help.
Edited by Blueace on Jan 13th 2021 at 12:25:00 PM
Wake me up at your own risk.
I'm guessing she found Harry's body
Though I'm interested that this is going to be the very first arc that Peter is going to play a role in Saladin's run. Outside of popping in to wishing him Happy Birthday a while back he hasn't really appeared.
And for what it's worth, I'm sure they'll play the "did the 'real' Miles actually get freed from Assessor's lab" card back in the original arc, but I'm sure Saladin is self-aware enough to not and try to commit to it like Marvel did with Ben Reilly during the original Clone Saga.
Edited by Lionheart0 on Jan 13th 2021 at 2:36:04 PM
Okay, question for those reading Amazing: When did Harry appear beforehand in Spencer's run? I know he was revealed as Kindred but I'm wondering how well the foreshadowing was handled.
The foreshadowing made it so obvious that when the reveal was done some fans refused to believe it was him for being such a obvious answer.
Jessica Drew is returning to her classic costume already
(not that we missed it, she wore it all the way through her appearances in Amazing Spider-Man)
Edited by Zarius on Jan 14th 2021 at 1:14:58 AM
Does anyone else feel like Spencer's conflating "One more day was a bad storyline" with "One more day was a terrible horrible sin?" Like, the only person who has a reason to be offended by OMD was MJ, and she kinda sorta is responsible for the deal.
The story's bad from an editorial perspective, but Harry being brought back to life isn't a bad thing or Peter's fault, and it feels like they're pinning that on him.
I feel like OMD getting retconned needed to be done in a way that wasn't this, basically, and the fact that it's taking so long to get there doesn't help.
Funny but not helpful
I mean, it happens in comics a lot.
If you're going to address it in-universe you have to yell at someone.
Like how Avengers #200 was a nonsense travesty with the characters acting bafflingly but you can't have Carol yell at Jim Shooter, George Perez, Bob Layton, and David Michelinie so she tore the Avengers a new one and told them to do better.
Well, you could have Carol yell at the creative staff actually. Marvel comics exists in universe and the creative teams usually exist in universe too. The Watcher once yoinked John Byrne up from the marvel offices to deliver him to the space trial of Reed Richards so he could write it up for the FF comic.
It wouldn't have the intended tone though.
And, alas, I think Marvel has eased off on that meta conceit anyway.
Edited by Bocaj on Jan 14th 2021 at 11:24:25 AM
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that’s kinda the issue with trying to deal with bad writing in-universe. Someone has to be held accountable for whatever poor decisions were foisted on them (making a deal with the devil, how the avengers treated Carol in Avengers #200, etc), and if it can't be the writers themselves, it has to be the characters. (I suppose you could also just have the characters yell at the writers, but that kinda defeats the purpose.)
Also, Avengers Annual #10 is a great comic.
Carol literally slaps Thor in the face.
Edited by megaeliz on Jan 15th 2021 at 11:43:56 AM
Introspective, innit?
I don't know, I'd say it's very much Peter (and MJ's) fault. You can argue that they had no way of knowing things would backfire in this exact way, but they should have absolutely expected that there would be unintended negative consequences when they opted to make a deal with Mephisto.
Why?