too-long page repair.

JustForFun.Pokedex Of Tropes... Seems like A and B are pretty big, should we split out #-C or something?

Especially given how long "Choice Scarf of Games" is...

Edited by Malady on May 12th 2023 at 10:50:14 AM

The Anime & Manga, Live-Action TV, and Western Animation folders in Imagine Spot are very long. Should they be split off into their own subpages?

The page isn't triggering the warning, but it's big enough it might be worth a split. Animanga is the longest folder by a decent margin, it looks like, but any of the three, and maybe even Fan Works and Live-Action Film, could be long enough to justify a split.

Edited by MorganWick on May 12th 2023 at 6:58:55 AM

Music of the 2010s needs a split. I noticed because I was adding a newly-made music page when I noticed the size warning.

Would it help to split between the 2010-14 period and the 2015-19 one?

Yeah, that looks standard, unless you think it's gonna get really really big and you need 3 splits like Fanfics of the 2010s.

Why is Music so big? Literature isn't that big yet...

Removed the redlinks to temporarily stave off the problem. However, it's only a matter of time where this may be a concern again, and there's so many entries that folders may be needed, which could necessitate a split anyways.

Splitting by years the way we do other mediums (like video games and films) is one way to go, and I did bring that up earlier, but then again there's the unique problem if many acts would release albums/EPs/music videos/non-album singles in both eras. It's easy with the albums/music videos themselves, but it's less likely for film or game pages to be indexed in multiple year categories.

Edited by GrafVonTirol on May 13th 2023 at 12:04:17 PM

Morgan Wick, Do we do the splitting ourselves, or wait for more opinions and a mod would do it?

IIRC, it's whoever wants to do the work. I haven't seen mods do this at all, in recent memory?

EDIT: If we want to split some other way, then we should start precendent now, since this is the first of the Music By Decade to need splitting.

Albums vs. Bands? / Singles vs. Bands?

Bands that started in this decade vs. those that are just continuing? Options, options...

Edited by Malady on May 13th 2023 at 6:22:17 AM

Going by the precedent of Video Games of the 2010s (which was split between 2010-14 and 2015-19), I think it's more intuitive to go by year interval. Do note that, in the case of films and video games, there have been installments from the same franchise released in both halves. In the most recent case, this would require Zucchero to be listed in the hypothetical two subpages anyway, as he released a total of four albums in the decade (2010, 2012, 2016, 2019).

However, the number of singers and bands that made releases with such a recurrence is low (with some of the rest only releaing albums until 2014 and others only doing so from 2015 onwards), so the overlapping items shouldn't be a concern.

Edited by MyFinalEdits on May 13th 2023 at 1:47:31 PM

Made two sandboxes with this in mind (2010-14, 2015-19). The former has entries that have yet to be sorted. I will continue on this effort as soon as I'm done with RL work some hours from now.

Edited by GrafVonTirol on May 13th 2023 at 12:15:27 PM

@selkies: I only don't do page splits myself because I want to give others a chance to clean up misuse, Word Cruft, natter, and other wastes of space in case that alleviates the problem. Re-splitting already split trope example sections poses the additional problem of needing to rename them, which as far as I'm aware, means creating new subpages and cut-listing the old ones, and splitting character pages is sometimes best done by the people that best understand the work, even though long character pages usually subdivide characters into various categories.

Edited by MorganWick on May 14th 2023 at 2:11:29 AM

"Re-splitting already split trope example sections poses the additional problem of needing to rename them, which as far as I'm aware, means creating new subpages and cut-listing the old ones".

You mean, splitting a trope image that's split by folders? How would we be creating "new" subpages if the trope doesn't even have a subpage like Imagine Spot?

I'm referring to trope example sections for work pages. Those are typically split all at once and alphabetically, so adding an additional page requires changing the letter range of each page. (This is why I like the idea of moving those pages to follow the same naming format of other work subpages, with TropesPage1/, TropesPage2/, etc. as the namespace.)

Oh, ok.

What about trope pages?

The first sentence of my comment (@2786) refers to all types of pages with examples, with the rest of it expanding on it by providing additional reasons why I might be reticent to enact splits of certain specific types of pages.

Edited by MorganWick on May 18th 2023 at 12:15:20 PM

Looking at the 9 pages left on the list...

Characters.Elden Ring Enemies And Bosses - Any reason not to split between Enemies and Bosses instead of lumping them?

How clear is it which characters are enemies and which are bosses? As I mentioned earlier, there's already been some back and forth on the discussion page about how to split it.

Serendipity Writes the Plot is throwing the warning. the longest folders are Films – Live-Action, Live-Action TV, and Video Games. if i'm right, splitting those off should account for around half the page's length. should we go ahead with that?

Sure.

split those sections off. it's my first time splitting a page so i hope i did everything right

Looks good, I just made some adjustments to the main trope page:

• put index tags around the subpage listings so the stuff below that doesn't get indexed
• removed unnecessary potholes

Monster.Video Games Q To Z has hit the "too long" warning and needs to be split.

Characters.SCP Foundation SC Ps was added to the too-long page. I don't know if we want to split the Series I characters as a whole; they take up roughly half the page when I look at the source, and all but two of the SCPs with individual pages are in that category; I don't know if there's a reason for us to avoid splitting the Characters that way. SCP-2747 appears to be the longest of the individual SCPs with regard to how much vertical space it takes in the source, but I have my doubts about whether splitting it alone would be enough to get it to stop triggering the warning (and it falls just short of having enough tropes for it to have been split when someone moved a bunch of entries to their own pages a year ago).

Edited by MorganWick on May 31st 2023 at 3:45:25 AM

I'm the one that merged the Characters.Big Brother 15 into one page as part of the Big Brother cleanup. I checked the bit counter to make sure that it was small enough to merge, but I get the "too big" message when I'm editing.

Is it the images? And if so, is there anything I can do with them without compromising the quality? Personally, I'd crop them as they have unnecessary black borders.

Edit: the byte counter says the page is 251,909 bytes.

Edited by PresidentBrit on Jun 4th 2023 at 10:31:06 AM