Game of Thrones [Potential Book Spoilers]

They didn't back Cersei, they're too scared of her to resist.

Yes, but he claimed that "Jon needs to know". Why does Jon need to know? This knowledge brought him nothing but misery.

It completely destroyed the identity he lived with his whole life - being Ned Stark's bastard - and turned him into a threat to the woman he loves who also turned out to be his aunt.

Honestly, at this point I can kinda get why some people think Bran might be actually evil because this whole idea of telling Jon has nothing but downsides.

Edited by DrunkenNordmann on May 14th 2019 at 4:53:43 PM

I guess Three Eyed Bran thinks that people should always know the truth about themselves, even if the truth hurts.

The trutb isn't always good just as lies aren't always bad.

It is kind of ironic that after all those years angsting about being Ned's bastard, Jon probably wishes he actually was.

throwing a wrench into a peaceful resolution to the Northern question (i.e. binding the North to the Iron Throne via marriage

A plan that would never work in-universe because Dany believes herself incapable of having kids. It would be an empty gesture.

They enabled this shit ever since cheering for King Joffrey to execute an innocent man.

Ned publicly confessed his guilt. As far as they knew he wasn't.

Edited by doineedaname on May 14th 2019 at 11:37:56 AM

^^^^ Bran is the real villain of the series. This was all a ploy for Bran to put himself on the throne.

Oh, come on. Shaming people and applying collective guilt/responsibility much? To people who don't have the benefit of education and who are starved and mistreated all the time. Yes, they behave like an angry mob at times and it's horrible, but that's not a reason to have innocent people, even children, roasted.

Edited by blkwhtrbbt on May 14th 2019 at 10:50:28 AM

So, I just looked over the sequence of events that led to Aerys II becoming the Mad King, in order to compare it to Dany's sudden turn. Man, that guy took 15 years of slow descent into paranoia before getting captured for six months and going full mad despot then took another five years of sanity slippage until his actions triggered Robert's Rebellion. And then the events of losing that war and his son before he actually went genocidal.

How long did Dany take in comparison? I mean, there's real Unfortunate Implications with this turn of events of Dany being a Hysterical Woman. She couldn't keep it together? Really?

She had dragons.

Dany's been getting more and more violent and rutheless from the beginning. Remember how turned on she was when Khal Drogo promised to basically rape the Seven Kingdoms to death in vengeance for her attempted assassination?

At this point I think it was a massive mistake of them to keep Cersei around and cut fAegon. Imagine instead her breakdown being realizing no one cares if he's really a fake and him being beloved by the people of King's Landing as a hero for deposing Cersei while she's feared and hated for her foreign armies.

So? She lost two kids. Aerys lost seven children, not including Rhaegar at the Trident.

She's always wanted to take back her rightful throne. All the ruthless violence she's been fine with was in service to that. Dragonfire over King's Landing explicitly wasn't.

Edited by GoldenKaos on May 14th 2019 at 5:11:51 PM

Let me amend my statement.

She had dragons a carpet bomber

Aerys didn't.

Edited by blkwhtrbbt on May 14th 2019 at 11:18:52 AM

Man. This why I said the White Walkers should win.

Nice going Arya!

I saw a theory on Reddit that makes a ton of sense. By this time in the books fAegon is on the throne. It explains why Sansa would be so antagonistic to someone who wants to unseat the current monarch, and may explain why most lords wouldn’t be flocking to Danerys. Also explains presence of the Golden Company as opposed to the show using a still recognizable, but much less implication-laden, mercenary company like the Second Sons.

No, he just had buckets of napalm instead. I still don't see your point.

And when he went to set it off things got very stabby. Dragons rather lack this weakness

That wild fire was a recent addition. Not something that sat there for 15 years.

Edited by blkwhtrbbt on May 14th 2019 at 11:53:12 AM

There's a difference between ruthlessness (using extreme measures to win- which has been a characteristic of Dany's) and sadism (her killing innocents after she's already won the war).

If they'd have had Kings Landing get completely destroyed as a consequence of the battle (maybe Dany torching the Red Keep to kill Cersei sets off some left over wildfire and that destroys the city) then the ending would be in character (Dany burning her enemies), sympathetic and a result of Dany's fatal flaw (she didn't intend to destroy everything she's just impulsive), and fit the 'dragons are not the answer' message the show is pushing.

Instead she conquers the city, wins the Iron Throne, and then decides to burn the smallfolk anyway.

First, they're not real.

Second, lack of education as a poor excuse. They went through four monarch changes and only one of them gave a damn, but he was a child not allowed to make his own decisions. You don't need to be a genius to realize that being bitten by the nobility several times means they don't care about you. And though the that religious cult were nicer to them, they held them to impossible standards. Oh and then there's the slaughter everyone who might be a sexual "deviant"

Third, they didn't attack Cersi during the Shame scene because she was a horrible woman who were making their lives hell. They pretty much did it because they thought she was having an extramartial affair. She was, but they didn't know that.

Fourth, considering that King's Landing was never going to get better, think of being scroched by a dragon a mercy kill

(somewhere, the High Sparrow chuckles)

Are we seriously doing the "death to the peasants for just trying to survive a bad situation" thing?

If by "we" you mean "me" then yes.

Like everyone jokes/agrees that the entire kingdom should burn or turn into ice zombies because the nobility are a bunch dicks.

But from what we've seen from the peasantry, they're not really much better. Sure, they can't cause longlasting damage like the houses can. But that's because of lack of power. Not some hidden depths of kindness. lol

Edited by NoName999 on May 14th 2019 at 11:16:21 AM

So off course this rumour about the two remaining books being already finished was nonsense

http://georgerrmartin.com/notablog/2019/05/13/idiocy-on-the-internet/