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** [[DiabolicalMastermind The Astronomer]] was an old man with powers based on ritualistic magic, having willingly erased all the memories of his own life and starting a search for power which would lead him to the cult of the Egyptian Freemasons where he would become a high ranking member. Using his position to kidnap several women and use them as {{human sacrifice}}s in depraved sexual rituals to empower himself, the Astronomer unwillingly gained the attention of heroic Aces that raided the Freemason temple. Leaving the cult leader to die in the raid to take the leadership himself, the Astronomer plans his revenge against the heroic Aces. He carries this out on the 40th anniversary of the Wild Card Day--where his servants injured and killed other Aces--in a murder spree while he personally dismembers Kid Dinosaur in front of his father and the general public. An Ace whose powers are literally based on his own depravity, the Astronomer was the first BigBad of the series and one of its more monstrous.
** Blaise Andrieux, especially starting with the Jumper arc. Among his many horrific acts is [[spoiler: jumping his grandfather into a teenage girl and raping her repeatedly.]]

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CompleteMonster: [[DiabolicalMastermind The Astronomer]] was an old man with powers based on ritualistic magic, having willingly erased all the memories of his own life and starting a search for power which would lead him to the cult of the Egyptian Freemasons where he would become a high ranking member. Using his position to kidnap several women and use them as {{human sacrifice}}s in depraved sexual rituals to empower himself, the Astronomer unwillingly gained the attention of heroic Aces that raided the Freemason temple. Leaving the cult leader to die in the raid to take the leadership himself, the Astronomer plans his revenge against the heroic Aces. He carries this out on the 40th anniversary of the Wild Card Day--where his servants injured and killed other Aces--in a murder spree while he personally dismembers Kid Dinosaur in front of his father and the general public. An Ace whose powers are literally based on his own depravity, the Astronomer was the first BigBad of the series and one of its more monstrous.
** Blaise Andrieux, especially starting with the Jumper arc. Among his many horrific acts is [[spoiler: jumping his grandfather into a teenage girl and raping her repeatedly.]]
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** Blaise Andrieux, starting with the Jumper arc. Among his many horrific acts is [[spoiler: jumping his grandfather into a teenage girl and raping her repeatedly.]]

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** Blaise Andrieux, especially starting with the Jumper arc. Among his many horrific acts is [[spoiler: jumping his grandfather into a teenage girl and raping her repeatedly.]]
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* TooBleakStoppedCaring: The books are somewhat infamous for how graphic and dark they are, and it's not uncommon for readers to drop out when it gets too much. Some examples include the gruesome murders committed by the Astronomer and Mackie Messer, as well as [[spoiler: Blaise repeatedly raping his own grandfather in a teenage girl's body]] in '''Jokertown Shuffle''' and [[spoiler: the near-rape of Sprout]] in '''Marked Cards.'''

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* TooBleakStoppedCaring: The books are somewhat infamous for how graphic and dark they are, and it's not uncommon for readers to drop out when it gets too much. Some examples include the gruesome murders committed by the Astronomer and Mackie Messer, as well as [[spoiler: Blaise repeatedly raping his own grandfather in a teenage girl's body]] in '''Jokertown Shuffle''' ''Jokertown Shuffle'' and [[spoiler: the near-rape of Sprout]] in '''Marked ''Marked Cards.'''''

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* CompleteMonster: [[DiabolicalMastermind The Astronomer]] was an old man with powers based on ritualistic magic, having willingly erased all the memories of his own life and starting a search for power which would lead him to the cult of the Egyptian Freemasons where he would become a high ranking member. Using his position to kidnap several women and use them as {{human sacrifice}}s in depraved sexual rituals to empower himself, the Astronomer unwillingly gained the attention of heroic Aces that raided the Freemason temple. Leaving the cult leader to die in the raid to take the leadership himself, the Astronomer plans his revenge against the heroic Aces. He carries this out on the 40th anniversary of the Wild Card Day--where his servants injured and killed other Aces--in a murder spree while he personally dismembers Kid Dinosaur in front of his father and the general public. An Ace whose powers are literally based on his own depravity, the Astronomer was the first BigBad of the series and one of its more monstrous.

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The Astronomer]] was an old man with powers based on ritualistic magic, having willingly erased all the memories of his own life and starting a search for power which would lead him to the cult of the Egyptian Freemasons where he would become a high ranking member. Using his position to kidnap several women and use them as {{human sacrifice}}s in depraved sexual rituals to empower himself, the Astronomer unwillingly gained the attention of heroic Aces that raided the Freemason temple. Leaving the cult leader to die in the raid to take the leadership himself, the Astronomer plans his revenge against the heroic Aces. He carries this out on the 40th anniversary of the Wild Card Day--where his servants injured and killed other Aces--in a murder spree while he personally dismembers Kid Dinosaur in front of his father and the general public. An Ace whose powers are literally based on his own depravity, the Astronomer was the first BigBad of the series and one of its more monstrous.monstrous.
** Blaise Andrieux, starting with the Jumper arc. Among his many horrific acts is [[spoiler: jumping his grandfather into a teenage girl and raping her repeatedly.]]


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* TooBleakStoppedCaring: The books are somewhat infamous for how graphic and dark they are, and it's not uncommon for readers to drop out when it gets too much. Some examples include the gruesome murders committed by the Astronomer and Mackie Messer, as well as [[spoiler: Blaise repeatedly raping his own grandfather in a teenage girl's body]] in '''Jokertown Shuffle''' and [[spoiler: the near-rape of Sprout]] in '''Marked Cards.'''
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* TakeThat: Gregg Hartmann can be easily read as a critique to politicians in general. Much of his campaign is centered about helping those in need and he is very goodat projecting the image of an honest person, but in reality is doing all of this for his own gain and has a very dark secret.
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* FoeYayShipping: In the most disturbing way possible Blaise with Tachyon. [[spoiler: He traps Tachyon's mind in a female body and rapes him/her.]]

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* FoeYayShipping: In the most disturbing way possible possible; Blaise with Tachyon. [[spoiler: He traps Tachyon's mind in a female body and rapes him/her.]]

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* BlessedWithSuck: Some aces and deuces can be swen as this, when their powers may prevent them from living a normal life fir some reason.



* CursedWithAwesome: Joker-aces. Some of them are pretty powerful in their own right, but the extent of their deformities sometimes makes you think if it's worth it.
* FoeYay: In the most disturbing way possible Blaise with Tachyon. [[spoiler: He traps Tachyon's mind in a female body and rapes him/her.]]

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* CursedWithAwesome: Joker-aces. Some of them are pretty powerful in their own right, but the extent of their deformities sometimes makes you think if it's worth it.
* FoeYay:
FoeYayShipping: In the most disturbing way possible Blaise with Tachyon. [[spoiler: He traps Tachyon's mind in a female body and rapes him/her.]]
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* BlessedWithSuck: Some aces and deuces can be swen as this, when their powers may prevent them from living a normal life fir some reason.
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* CursedWithAwesome: Joker-aces. Some of them are pretty powerful in their own right, but the extent of their deformities sometimes makes you think if it's worth it.
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* MagnificentBastard: Even without his powers, Puppetman is impressively skilled at manipulating people.
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** Stuntman bounces between [[{{Jerkass}} asshole]] and woobie. All of his dreams and aspirations never come true and, if they do, they're twisted like a joker. He wanted to play sports in high school, but [[TheNapoleon he was even shy of 5'10]], meaning scouters could hardly see him. Even his own father, a retired baseball player, said he didn't have the mentality of a sportsman, but an intellectual. He went to college and aspired to become an actor, but then his wild card turned, making him more desirable to Hollywood as... well, a [[CaptainObvious stuntman]], than an actual actor. He became a B-Movie washout and joined the cast of ''American Hero'' in hopes of restarting his now-dead career. Along the way, he lied and got Rustbelt, the [[GoodIsDumb nicest]] cast-member, discarded and branded a racist. And then he [[spoiler: wins ''American Hero'']], but only because [[spoiler: Curveball, the assumed victor, went to Egypt to become a real hero]]. And what happens? [[spoiler: No one, not even his ''[[DiabolusExMachina own parents]]'' cares because of the discards in Egypt were saving thousands of Jokers and defeating one of the world's most powerful aces]]. In ''Busted Flush'', it's referenced that he becomes the "defender" of San Jose and has a bad stint on ''Series/DancingWithTheStars''. No wonder he joined SCARE.

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** Stuntman bounces between [[{{Jerkass}} asshole]] and woobie. All of his dreams and aspirations never come true and, if they do, they're twisted like a joker. He wanted to play sports in high school, but [[TheNapoleon he was even shy of 5'10]], meaning scouters could hardly see him. Even his own father, a retired baseball player, said he didn't have the mentality of a sportsman, but an intellectual. He went to college and aspired to become an actor, but then his wild card turned, making him more desirable to Hollywood as... well, a [[CaptainObvious stuntman]], stuntman, than an actual actor. He became a B-Movie washout and joined the cast of ''American Hero'' in hopes of restarting his now-dead career. Along the way, he lied and got Rustbelt, the [[GoodIsDumb nicest]] cast-member, discarded and branded a racist. And then he [[spoiler: wins ''American Hero'']], but only because [[spoiler: Curveball, the assumed victor, went to Egypt to become a real hero]]. And what happens? [[spoiler: No one, not even his ''[[DiabolusExMachina own parents]]'' cares because of the discards in Egypt were saving thousands of Jokers and defeating one of the world's most powerful aces]]. In ''Busted Flush'', it's referenced that he becomes the "defender" of San Jose and has a bad stint on ''Series/DancingWithTheStars''. No wonder he joined SCARE.

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* CompleteMonster: [[DiabolicalMastermind The Astronomer]] was an old man with powers based on ritualistic magic, having willingly erased all the memories of his own life and starting a search for power which would lead him to the cult of the Egyptian Freemasons where he would become a high ranking member. Using his position to kidnap several women and use them as {{human sacrifice}}s in depraved sexual rituals to empower himself, the Astronomer unwillingly gained the attention of heroic Aces that raided the Freemason temple. Leaving the cult leader to die in the raid to take the leadership himself, the Astronomer plans his revenge against the heroic Aces. He carries this out on the 40th anniversary of the Wild Card Day--where his servants injured and killed other Aces--in a murder spree while he personally dismembers Kid Dinosaur in front of his father and the general public. An Ace whose powers are literally based on his own depravity, the Astronomer was the first BigBad of the series and one of its more monstrous.
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* TooCoolToLive: [[spoiler: Chrysalis]]

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* TooCoolToLive: [[spoiler: Chrysalis]]Chrysalis.]]



** Stuntman bounces between [[{{Jerkass}} asshole]] and woobie. All of his dreams and aspirations never come true and, if they do, they're twisted like a joker. He wanted to play sports in high school, but [[TheNapoleon he was even shy of 5'10]], meaning scouters could hardly see him. Even his own father, a retired baseball player, said he didn't have the mentality of a sportsman, but an intellectual. He went to college and aspired to become an actor, but then his wild card turned, making him more desirable to Hollywood as . . . well, a [[CaptainObvious stuntman]], than an actual actor. He became a B-Movie washout and joined the cast of ''American Hero'' in hopes of restarting his now-dead career. Along the way, he lied and got Rustbelt, the [[GoodIsDumb nicest]] cast-member, discarded and branded a racist. And then he [[spoiler: wins ''American Hero'']], but only because [[spoiler: Curveball, the assumed victor, went to Egypt to become a real hero]]. And what happens? [[spoiler: No one, not even his ''[[DiabolusExMachina own parents]]'' cares because of the discards in Egypt were saving thousands of Jokers and defeating one of the world's most powerful aces]]. In ''Busted Flush'', it's referenced that he becomes the "defender" of San Jose and has a bad stint on ''Series/DancingWithTheStars''. No wonder he joined SCARE.

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** Stuntman bounces between [[{{Jerkass}} asshole]] and woobie. All of his dreams and aspirations never come true and, if they do, they're twisted like a joker. He wanted to play sports in high school, but [[TheNapoleon he was even shy of 5'10]], meaning scouters could hardly see him. Even his own father, a retired baseball player, said he didn't have the mentality of a sportsman, but an intellectual. He went to college and aspired to become an actor, but then his wild card turned, making him more desirable to Hollywood as . . .as... well, a [[CaptainObvious stuntman]], than an actual actor. He became a B-Movie washout and joined the cast of ''American Hero'' in hopes of restarting his now-dead career. Along the way, he lied and got Rustbelt, the [[GoodIsDumb nicest]] cast-member, discarded and branded a racist. And then he [[spoiler: wins ''American Hero'']], but only because [[spoiler: Curveball, the assumed victor, went to Egypt to become a real hero]]. And what happens? [[spoiler: No one, not even his ''[[DiabolusExMachina own parents]]'' cares because of the discards in Egypt were saving thousands of Jokers and defeating one of the world's most powerful aces]]. In ''Busted Flush'', it's referenced that he becomes the "defender" of San Jose and has a bad stint on ''Series/DancingWithTheStars''. No wonder he joined SCARE.
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** Stuntman bounces between [[{{Jerkass}} asshole]] and woobie. All of his dreams and aspirations never come true and, if they do, they're twisted like a joker. He wanted to play sports in high school, but [[TheNapoleon he was even shy of 5'10]], meaning scouters could hardly see him. Even his own father, a retired baseball player, said he didn't have the mentality of a sportsman, but an intellectual. He went to college and aspired to become an actor, but then his wild card turned, making him more desirable to Hollywood as . . . well, a [[CaptainObvious stuntman]], than an actual actor. He became a B-Movie washout and jointed the cast of ''American Hero'' in hopes of restarting his now-dead career. Along the way, he lied and got Rustbelt, the [[GoodIsDumb nicest]] cast-member, discarded and branded a racist. And then he [[spoiler: wins ''American Hero'']], but only because [[spoiler: Curveball, the assumed victor, went to Egypt to become a real hero]]. And what happens? [[spoiler: No one, not even his ''[[DiabolusExMachina own parents]]'' cares because of the discards in Egypt were saving thousands of Jokers and defeating one of the world's most powerful aces]]. In ''Busted Flush'', it's referenced that he becomes the "defender" of San Jose and has a bad stent on ''Series/DancingWithTheStars''. No wonder he joined SCARE.

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** Stuntman bounces between [[{{Jerkass}} asshole]] and woobie. All of his dreams and aspirations never come true and, if they do, they're twisted like a joker. He wanted to play sports in high school, but [[TheNapoleon he was even shy of 5'10]], meaning scouters could hardly see him. Even his own father, a retired baseball player, said he didn't have the mentality of a sportsman, but an intellectual. He went to college and aspired to become an actor, but then his wild card turned, making him more desirable to Hollywood as . . . well, a [[CaptainObvious stuntman]], than an actual actor. He became a B-Movie washout and jointed joined the cast of ''American Hero'' in hopes of restarting his now-dead career. Along the way, he lied and got Rustbelt, the [[GoodIsDumb nicest]] cast-member, discarded and branded a racist. And then he [[spoiler: wins ''American Hero'']], but only because [[spoiler: Curveball, the assumed victor, went to Egypt to become a real hero]]. And what happens? [[spoiler: No one, not even his ''[[DiabolusExMachina own parents]]'' cares because of the discards in Egypt were saving thousands of Jokers and defeating one of the world's most powerful aces]]. In ''Busted Flush'', it's referenced that he becomes the "defender" of San Jose and has a bad stent stint on ''Series/DancingWithTheStars''. No wonder he joined SCARE.
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** Xavier Desmond, especially after [[spoiler: he learns his has cancer]].

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** Xavier Desmond, especially after [[spoiler: he learns his he has cancer]].
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* EnsembleDarkHorse: Both Simon and the Sleeper's girlfriend have more fans than the author probably ever meant them to have. [[spoiler:Especially since they both die.]]
* {{Wangst}}: Alex seems to suffer from this as he seems more troubled by his superpowers than by his brother's death (and the deaths of his classmates).
* TheWoobie: YMMV, but Alex is either this or TheScrappy.
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** Stuntman bounces between [[{{Jerkass}} asshole]] and woobie. All of his dreams and aspirations never come true and, if they do, they're twisted like a joker. He wanted to play sports in high school, but [[TheNapoleon he was even shy of 5'10]], meaning scouters could hardly see him. Even his own father, a retired baseball player, said he didn't have the mentality of a sportsman, but an intellectual. He went to college and aspired to become an actor, but then his wild card turned, making him more desirable to Hollywood as . . . well, a [[CaptainObvious stuntman]], than an actual actor. He became a B-Movie washout and jointed the cast of ''American Hero'' in hopes of restarting his now-dead career. Along the way, he lied and got Rustbelt, the [[GoodIsDumb nicest]] cast-member, discarded and branded a racist. And then he [[spoiler: wins ''American Hero'']], but only because [[spoiler: Curveball, the assumed victor, went to Egypt to become a real hero]]. And what happens? [[spoiler: No one, not even his ''[[DiabolusExMachina own parents]]'' cares because of the discards in Egypt were saving thousands of Jokers and defeating one of the world's most powerful aces]]. In ''Busted Flush'', it's referenced that he becomes the "defender" of San Jose and has a bad stent on DancingWithTheStars. No wonder he joined SCARE.

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** Stuntman bounces between [[{{Jerkass}} asshole]] and woobie. All of his dreams and aspirations never come true and, if they do, they're twisted like a joker. He wanted to play sports in high school, but [[TheNapoleon he was even shy of 5'10]], meaning scouters could hardly see him. Even his own father, a retired baseball player, said he didn't have the mentality of a sportsman, but an intellectual. He went to college and aspired to become an actor, but then his wild card turned, making him more desirable to Hollywood as . . . well, a [[CaptainObvious stuntman]], than an actual actor. He became a B-Movie washout and jointed the cast of ''American Hero'' in hopes of restarting his now-dead career. Along the way, he lied and got Rustbelt, the [[GoodIsDumb nicest]] cast-member, discarded and branded a racist. And then he [[spoiler: wins ''American Hero'']], but only because [[spoiler: Curveball, the assumed victor, went to Egypt to become a real hero]]. And what happens? [[spoiler: No one, not even his ''[[DiabolusExMachina own parents]]'' cares because of the discards in Egypt were saving thousands of Jokers and defeating one of the world's most powerful aces]]. In ''Busted Flush'', it's referenced that he becomes the "defender" of San Jose and has a bad stent on DancingWithTheStars.''Series/DancingWithTheStars''. No wonder he joined SCARE.
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** The Sleeper has another case of these. His criminal activity makes it difficult to sympathize with his unique condition. Though it should be remembered that his criminal activity is done because he can't with his sleep cycle hold down a regular job also it should be remembered that he was a 14 year old boy who in a few short (waking) weeks becomes a drug addict in order to keep from becoming a joker and gets so addicted that he has to have one of his ace friends take pity and knock him out many times to stop his murderous rages.

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** The Sleeper has another case of these. His criminal activity makes it difficult to sympathize with his unique condition. Though it should be remembered that his criminal activity is done because he can't can't, with his sleep cycle cycle, hold down a regular job job; also it should be remembered that he was a 14 year old boy who in a few short (waking) weeks becomes a drug addict in order to keep from becoming a joker joker, and gets so addicted that he has to have one of his ace friends take pity and knock him out many times to stop his murderous rages.
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* IdiotBall: In SuicideKings, a kid who has been shown to enjoy killing and has the power to blow up anything made of metal or stone is against a man with metal skin (Rustbelt)… and proceeds to run away screaming rather than blow his head up.

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* IdiotBall: In SuicideKings, ''Suicide Kings'', a kid who has been shown to enjoy killing and has the power to blow up anything made of metal or stone is against a man with metal skin (Rustbelt)… and proceeds to run away screaming rather than blow his head up.

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