History YMMV / Titans2018

* AuthorsSavingThrow:
** For the large hatedom of ''WesternAnimation/TeenTitansGo'', and for fans of both the comics and the [[WesternAnimation/TeenTitans2003 2003 animated series]], the mere ''existence'' of this series is considered an example of this trope, especially by those hoping for a [[DarkerAndEdgier darker]] take on the Titans.
** Season two is clearly trying to be LighterAndSofter than the grimdark first season, which includes retconning things like why Starfire is on Earth. While the show is still very serious and has a lot of mature content, it's not as ''excessively'' dark and bloody as it was in Season 1. Though this has led to many criticizing the writers for taking the lazy way out of correcting the show's many issues.
** Minor case, but the wigs used for certain characters (Rachel's especially) got lambasted to hell and back by the fandom due to them being badly applied in many scenes. In season 2, these characters all got new wigs, which are far more complimentary to their faces and overall more pleasing to the eye.
** Another minor case. Season 2 sees Kory wear much less trashy looking clothes, leading to far less comments about [[MemeticMutation "Hookerfire."]]
** Season 2 sees a much more positive portrayal of Bruce, with his self titled episode even implying he's a MoralityPet of sorts to Dick. Although this was greatly appreciated, many a fan has pointed out that it makes Dick's attitude toward Bruce in the prior season come off as even more unsympathetic than before.
*** The series manages to balance out the conflict between Dick and Bruce without making either side entirely right or wrong in season 3 by showing that Dick ''was'' right about his mentor's manipulative behavior in "Barbara Gordon", as he not only brushes off [[spoiler: Jason Todd's death]] without so much as an afterthought, but did the same with [[spoiler: Alfred and Commissioner Gordon's own deaths]] beforehand, with Barbara chewing him out on this. Not only that, but Bruce is shown to have [[spoiler: already begun looking for a new Robin so soon after Jason's death]], which Dick immediately calls him on, but he [[spoiler: kills the Joker shortly thereafter, immediately turning over Gotham to Dick's protection and admitting that his proteges were right about him]].
** In contrast to the above, season 2 sees Dick actively take responsibility for his actions (albeit they're different actions than the ones he took from the first season). This likewise lead to mix results, as while it made Dick far more sympathetic, it also resulted in other characters in-universe using him as TheScapegoat, leading those characters to become UnintentionallyUnsympathetic instead.
** Season 3 has Dick (and later Hank) somewhat acknowledge the team's poor behavior in Season 2, where Dick mentions they drove Jason away by being impatient with him.
** Donna Troy's return in season 3 wins the crowd back a bit and seeing her teaming up with Tim and Hank is a sight to see.

** Already [[BaseBreakingCharacter divisive]] in the previous seasons, season 3 saw most of the fandom turn against Dick Grayson/Nightwing. Not only the character is disliked for being a SpotlightStealingSquad, but his CharacterArc is also considered one of the worst parts of the show, with [[ArcFatigue each season]] being about Dick fighting against his inner darkness, treating his team like crap and learning how to be a better person, [[AesopAmnesia just to forget about it at the start of the following season.]] His many KickTheDog moments, like constantly leaving the team when the others need him the most and [[spoiler: using kryptonite to knock out Superboy and Krypto because he didn't want their help]] only increased the hatedom, with many wondering [[DesignatedHero why or how he should be considered an hero.]]

* ToughActToFollow: Because of the insane popularity of [[WesternAnimation/TeenTitans2003 the 2003 animated series]], many fans expected this show to be a live action of the animated show, which, because of its status as AdaptationDisplacement/ AudienceColoringAdaptation is often regarded as ''THE'' only true Titans among many generations of fans. The success of the former instantly affected the show before it even aired.

* ToughActToFollow: Because of the ''WesternAnimation/TeenTitans2003''' insane popularity, many fans expected this show to be a live action of the animated show, which, because of its status as AdaptationDisplacement/ AudienceColoringAdaptation is often regarded as ''THE'' only true Titans among many generations of fans. The success of the former instantly affected the show before it even aired.

** Rachel Roth. While she's an undeniably sympathetic character, many fans have pointed to her uncharacteristic abuse of Garfield throughout the second season, and seeming lack of real focus in the first season despite arguably being the ''most'' important character story-wise(likely due to the season spending most of its time focusing on Dick) as being good reasons to not like her. Her sorta [[{{Squick}} squicky]] romantic subtext with Gar only makes this worse.

** With the ''WesternAnimation/YoungJustice'' fanbase, since this show and ''Outsiders'' are the first two originals announced for the Creator/DCUniverse streaming service. It also helps that both franchises were [[ScrewedByTheNetwork screwed over]] by Turner-owned networks; Creator/{{TNT}} backed out of ''Titans'', while Creator/CartoonNetwork cancelled ''Young Justice'' (and nearly every other DC-based show). Many are looking forward to both shows, and often share the same communities.

** Deathstroke getting another adaptation has lead to the fandom joking "not Deathstroke again" and how they are gonna pay him to stop appearing everywhere. The thing is, between 2015 and 2020, Deathstroke had a sudden burst of multiple featurings, in no less than 9 adaptations where he had a prominent role, being either TheHeavy or a VillainProtagonist: ''WesternAnimation/TeenTitansGoToTheMovies'', ''WesternAnimation/YoungJustice'', ''WesternAnimation/TeenTitansTheJudasContract'', ''Film/JusticeLeague2017'', ''WesternAnimation/DeathstrokeKnightsAndDragons'', ''Anime/BatmanNinja'', ''WesternAnimation/DCSuperHeroGirls2019'', ''VideoGame/BatmanArkhamKnight'', and, of course, ''Series/Titans2018''.

* NewerThanTheyThink: Somewhat conversely with the below-mentioned OlderThanTheyThink, but a lot of fans have professed how dark the Titans comics are to justify the edgy tone of the initial trailer. While the classic Wolfman-Perez run was ''mature'', grittiness to the extent shown is more something associated with the runs of the 2000s period, where there were frequent character deaths and shocking storylines. Another thing that's also not noted is that this period of DarkerAndEdgier was generally considered a ''DorkAge'' to fans of the older runs.

** For the large hatedom of ''WesternAnimation/TeenTitansGo'', and for fans of both the comics and the [[WesternAnimation/TeenTitans 2003 animated series]], the mere ''existence'' of this series is considered an example of this trope, especially by those hoping for a [[DarkerAndEdgier darker]] take on the Titans.

* CreepyAwesome: Slade is walking NightmareFuel, but this is the thing that makes the fandom give him the DracoInLeatherPants treatment. His general creepiness, the genuine threat he represents, the psychological traumas he is capable inflicting on others, and the fact he is similar in some aspects with his most [[WesternAnimation/TeenTitans popular iteration]] made many people embrace his appearance from the very beginning.

** To say that fans of the [[WesternAnimation/TeenTitans animated series]] have been critical of this series' tone would be a massive understatement. Those defending it have been just as vocal, especially in saying that the series' tone is just as true to the comics and the series shouldn't be expected to copy the animated series, especially when the animated series deviated from the comics in a lot of ways.

** On the other hand, those who were fans of [[WesternAnimation/TeenTitans Teen Titans Slade]] welcomed this show version of him very warmly. For them, this is what animated Slade would have been if not for the age restrictions. Both versions of Slade seem to inspire same creepiness, cool factor and menacing presence that made the character one of the most chilling villains ever.

** Although the short hair Starfire is wearing ''is'' new, Starfire having curly hair, on the other hand, is something that was present in her early years.[[note]]albeit it was not the same type as she's seen wearing here, and instead was EightiesHair.[[/note]] Thanks to AdaptationDisplacement from a combination of her portrayal in the comics in recent years and both [[WesternAnimation/TeenTitans animated]] [[WesternAnimation/TeenTitansGo series]], more people are likely to associate her with the straight hair she's shown having in those (most prominently the 2003 series).

** There's been some gnashing of teeth over Starfire, Beast Boy and Raven no longer having their signature skin colours (though in the case of Starfire and Beast Boy, their skin changes shade to that of their original counterparts when they use their powers and in Raven's case, her grey skin originated in the ''WesternAnimation/TeenTitans'' cartoon, meaning her possessing normal skin tones is OlderThanTheyThink).

* ToughActToFollow: Because of the ''WesternAnimation/TeenTitans''' insane popularity, many fans expected this show to be a live action of the animated show, which, because of its status as AdaptationDisplacement/ AudienceColoringAdaptation is often regarded as ''THE'' only true Titans among many generations of fans. The success of the former instantly affected the show before it even aired.

** While Season 3 started off as an improvement, it later fell apart in the second half.

* CaptainObviousReveal: [[SarcasmMode We totally did not expect]] for [[spoiler: Rose]] to be the [[TheMole new Terra]], from the very beginning!
** Given Jason's use of a drug to control his fear, [[spoiler: the reveal that Scarecrow was the one guiding him]] came as no surprise. Luckily it wasn't dragged out like the above example.

* HesJustHiding: What some fans theorizes about [[spoiler:Deathstroke's demise]] in Season 2 final. It doesn't help that he was [[WhatCouldHaveBeen supposed]] to be shown [[spoiler:alive, on a hospital bed.]]

* FanPreferredCouple:
** Donna and Kory are well liked among LGBT+ fans, who view their bickering at the end of season 1 as UnresolvedSexualTension. It helps that the characters had a ''lot'' of LesYay in the original comics. By season 2 these iterations have gained some legitimate LesYay in their own right.
** Jay/Gar went from a case of ShipsThatPassInTheNight to this due to their increased HoYay in season 2, as well as several BB/Rae shippers [[AbandonShipping jumping into the water]] due to her treatment of him in Season 2 episode 5.
** Jason Todd being shipped with Conner Kent (Superboy), after the latter saved him from a stories-high fall in Season 2.
** Another Jason Todd ship that gained a quick increasing following is Jason/Rose aka Jayrose. The ship already had a small pack of shippers due to Jason and Rose having a thing in Comicbook/RedHoodAndTheOutlaws. Their comicbook counterparts [[{{Foil}} have a lot in common]], like being betrayed by a relative, getting kidnapped and tortured, tons of daddy issues, were left aside and considered the black sheep for no good reason. All those woobiefying events just add more flavor to the ship.

* StrangledByTheRedString: Jason Todd and Rose Wilson, they kissed after a single conversation with each other, and after only 2 episodes spent having them properly interacting, they were already in a very deep relationship, as if their have been involved with each other by many years. Still, somewhat the [[FanPreferredCouple ship]] [[Administrivia/TropesAreTools works]], mostly because their very few interactions were used to show what HiddenDepths the characters have.

* In the episode where Jason meets Hank and Dawn, Jason compliments one of them as "Babe". Hank laughs, thanking that Jason was referring to him before realizing Jason was actually flirting with Dawn.

* DesignatedHero: Most of the Titans that aren't Gar and Conner tend to fall into this, as many of the characters are often [[UnintentionallyUnsympathetic unsympathetic]] due to blaming others for their problems and treating each other unfairly. It doesn't help that despite being a superhero team, they are rarely shown to do anything actually heroic such as saving people and instead a number of them tend to get away with doing a number of questionable things.

** Because of his status as the ChewToy and being OutOfFocus, Gar tends to suffer the most trauma but rarely speaks about it. In Season 1 he is tortured by scientists and ends up violently eating one to escape and in the season final he's [[spoiler:beaten almost to death by his mind controlled friends]]. In Season 2 while he brings up these two things, the writers don't do anything and instead he ends up being tortured again [[spoiler:by Cadmus who brainwash him into being a weapon and killing innocents]].

** Rachel doesn't flinch when she walks past her mother's dead corpse twice. Granted, she was a double-crossing bitch, but still.
** Rachel's adoptive mother is hit even worse with this. The poor woman raised and loved Rachel like she was her own child, fully aware of all the danger involved, yet she is treated as if she never existed by her adopted daughter.
** A short-lived example, through Season 2, Gar seems to have forgotten that he literally ate a scientist.(Though to be fair he did deserve it but for Gar it's probably best forgotten to prevent a burden). Though he does mention it to Conner in "Atonement".
** Similarly, Gar is pretty quick to stop bringing up how poorly Rachel treats him throughout the second season.

** Jason Todd's guest appearance was well-liked, with many feeling that his portrayal was [[RescuedFromTheScrappyHeap better and more nuanced]] than his comic counterpart. In a DC Universe poll, the majority of voters preferred to have Jason stay alive, rather than be killed and return as ComicBook/RedHood. [[spoiler: He still died and returned as Red Hood anyway, but it didn't hurt his popularity one bit.]] His popularity only increased after the second season, with most fans pointing to him and Gar as the best characters among the current Titans team, though whether this is due to them being well-written or just [[BaseBreakingCharacter not as unlikeable as their teammates]] is up to interpretation.

** The Wilson Kids too, since this is their first proper live-action incarnation. Jericho was well received for being a cheerful HandicappedBadass played by an actual deaf actor, Chella Man. Rose made her way into the fans hearts for being an [[DeadpanSnarker snarky]] ActionGirl and quite [[FanservicePack eye candy]] courtesy to Creator/ChelseaZhang.

* AbandonShipping:
** Many longtime BB/Rae shippers abandoned the ship for this specific iteration of the characters when the actors were announced and a large portion of their fanbase were [[NoYay put off by the large age gap]] between Gar and Rachel's actors.
*** Many fans who ''did'' ship these iterations of the two ended up abandoning ship due to her treatment of him in the fifth episode of season 2.

*** Her adoptive mother is hit even worse with this, poor woman raised and loved Rachel like she was her own child, full aware of all the danger involved, yet she is treated as if she never existed by her adopted daughter.
** A short-lived example, through Season 2, Gar seems to have forgotten that he literally ate a scientist.(Though to be fair he did deserve it but for Gar its probably best forgotten to prevent a burden). Though he does mention it to Conner in "Atonement".

** For the very, VERY large hatedom of ''WesternAnimation/TeenTitansGo'', and for fans of both the comics and the [[WesternAnimation/TeenTitans 2003 animated series]], the mere ''existence'' of this series is considered an example of this trope, especially by those hoping for a [[DarkerAndEdgier darker]] take on the Titans.

** Gar getting fed up with Kory always attacking him while she's in a trance despite always him trying to help her and the other Titans. The last straw is when she throws him in the trunk of her car and drives him out to the middle of nowhere. He becomes so distraught with all the shit happening that he [[TheReasonYouSuckSpeech chews out]] Kory for her and the other Titans not pulling their shit together, which leads to him always paying for it. OOCIsSeriousBusiness at it's finest.

* FanNickname: Many fans have already slapped this show's version of Koriand'r with the unfortunate nickname of "Hookerfire" due to her [[WTHCostumingDepartment poorly-received outfit]] strongly resembling a prostitute.

* RelationshipWritingFumble: ''Possibly.'' Several cases of WordOfSaintPaul, most noticeably from Gar's actor, Ryan Potter, has indicated that Gar and Rachel are suppose to be LikeBrotherAndSister. However, many of their interactions in the first season, as well as several moments in the first few episodes of season 2, are written in ways that are far more common of the "outsider teen romance" genre. Not helping is that Kory seems to [[ShipperOnDeck ship them in-universe.]]

* RomanticPlotTumor: The general consensus among the fan base is that the love triangle between Hank, Dawn, and Dick is not only annoying due to being badly written, but completely unnecessary. The boys are completely head-over-heels in love with her (with it being stated that she's "the one that got away" for Dick) but (as described in AlternateCharacterInterpretation, CreatorsPet, and UnintentionallyUnsympathetic) she comes off as an incredibly [[ToxicFriendInfluence toxic]], [[ManipulativeBitch manipulative]] cheater; leading many fans to wonder what Dick and Hank [[WhatDoesSheSeeInHim even see in her.]] There's also the fact that Dawn feels like a [[DerailingLoveInterests plot-induced roadblock]] to Dick getting together with Kory, who he's been heavily [[ShipTease teased]] with since meeting her, and it feels like the writers were attempting to add a bunch of unnecessary drama in an already dramatic show.

** Dawn Granger. Since Season 2 started, she slowly lost a lot of fans most probably because of her HolierThanThou attitude, for being a cheater with toxic influence on both Dick and Hank and for clearly becoming a CreatorsPet. A huge part of the Titans fandom was displeased with her increasing screen time, while the showrunners put aside characters that are more related to the main plot than her, like Rachel, Gar and Rose. She winds up getting a TakeThatScrappy moment in Season 3, where this exact behavior causes [[spoiler: Hank's death when she impulsively tries to save him. She winds up being PutOnABus in the next episode.]]

** Already [[BaseBreakingCharacter divisive]] in the previous seasons, season 3 saw most of the fandom turn against Dick Grayson/Nightwing. Not only the character is disliked for being a SpotlightStealingSquad, but his CharacterArc is also considered one of the worst parts of the show, with [[ArcFatigue each season]] being about Dick fighting against his inner darkness, treating his team like crap and learning how to be a better person, [[AesopAmnesia just to forget about it at the start of the following season.]] His many KickTheDog moments, like constantly leaving the team when the others need him the most and [[spoiler: using kryptonite to knock out Superboy and Krypto because he didn't want their help]] only increased the hatedom, with many wondering [[DesignatedHero why or how he should be condidered an hero.]]

* WhatAnIdiot:
** In "Hank and Dove", The Titans learn that [[spoiler:Jason Todd is not only alive, but he is the Red Hood that's been targeting them]]. While they speculate as to how this is possible, Hank gets a phone call from [[spoiler:Jason]], asking him to come help him. He then has Hank do increasingly random things, such as strip naked in an abandoned gym and swim across a dirty pool.
*** '''You’d Expect:''' Hank, who had earlier threatened to beat [[spoiler:Jason]] to death, to perhaps be a bit more cautious. This is the guy who just played them all pretty bad yesterday, so he clearly knows how to play them ''and'' is out to make their lives as miserable as possible. Plus, they were already played pretty bad by Deathstroke--one of the reasons that [[spoiler:Jason]] went down the path he did in the first place.
*** '''Instead:''' He doesn't suspect a thing and winds up [[spoiler:with a bomb in his chest that his teammates have to make a SadisticChoice over getting it out]]. He noticeably {{Lampshades}} how stupid he was to do this.
*** '''As a Result:''' [[spoiler:Hank doesn't make it and blows up thanks to Dawn]].
** The same episode sees Dawn make a pretty stupid decision in regards to Hank's situation. If [[spoiler:Red Hood doesn't get $50 million in gold bars, Hank dies]]. Dick refuses to play along with his game and has Conner work on a disabler for the device, while the rest of the team tries to slow down his heart [[spoiler:so the bomb doesn't go off as quickly]]. Dawn insists that the team just give [[spoiler:Jason]] the money, but Dick tells her that it's exactly what [[spoiler:Jason]] wants them to do and that they can get Hank free on their own.
*** '''You’d Expect:''' Dawn to just listen. The Titans have gotten out of worse situations before, and just yesterday did playing [[spoiler:Jason's]] game cause serious consequences for them. Besides, Conner has SuperSpeed and is very intelligent, so he can get that device made before things get too dire. Besides, doing anything else could get them on Barbara's bad side even more than they already are.
*** '''Instead:''' She [[spoiler:robs the gold truck]] and hands off the loot to [[spoiler:Jason]]. He then decides to give her another SadisticChoice: [[spoiler:Use the gun he gave her to kill him, or Hank will blow up]]. Dick then shows up to tell her that Connor has it worked out and keep her from crossing the line.
*** '''You’d Expect:''' For her to think for a minute about this. [[spoiler:Jason just died]] (or so it appeared) two days ago, and it's very doubtful he's eager to go back into the ground. Why would he suddenly give her a gun after he had her [[spoiler:steal $50 million in gold bars]] if he isn't going to be around long enough to enjoy it?
*** '''You’d Also Expect:''' That she let Conner [[spoiler:turn off the bomb]]. The moment it gets turned off, [[spoiler:Hank is free and Jason has no leverage]].
*** '''Instead:''' She pulls the trigger... [[spoiler:which turns out to be the detonator to the bomb]].
*** '''As a Result:''' [[spoiler:Hank dies]].

* AlternateCharacterInterpretation: [[AlternativeCharacterInterpretation/Titans2018 It has its own page now]].

* EnsembleDarkHorse: [[EnsembleDarkHorse/Titans2018 Has its own page]].

* JerksAreWorseThanVillains: Both Deathstroke the Terminator and [[spoiler: Jason Todd, aka Red Hood]] are both some of the deadliest and manipulative foes the Titans have ever faced, are [[spoiler: {{HeroKiller}}s]] responsible for the respective deaths of [[spoiler: Aqualad and Hawk]]--and both are equally more likable than the titular team, who treat each other like crap in spite of claiming they're "family", drove [[spoiler: Jason]] to near suicide for something he didn't even do, most [[NeverMyFault refuse to recognize their responsibility for their role in those two targeting them]], and have had enough UnintentionallyUnsympathetic throughout the show that audiences have invoked the EightDeadlyWords on them. Thus, it's much easier to see why two deadly assassins would want the Titans to pay for their mistakes.

* TooBleakStoppedCaring: Widely regarded as the ''biggest'' problem with the show. Whether it be that most of the cast is DarkerAndEdgier to the point of parody (even when compared to the comics where they did the same), the fact that the team seems to say they're like a family despite constantly screwing each other over and lacking any sort of empathy for one another's problems (such as when they all bullied Jason to the point where he nearly killed himself and seemingly ''none'' of them apologized for it, or when Hawk and Dove get a kid killed only to barely react and then sing at at a country bar as if nothing happened), or that after the second season ''anything'' can seemingly be [[{{Retcon}} retconned]] out of the show no matter how important of a plot point, it really causes the audience to wonder why they should [[EightDeadlyWords even care about these characters]].

** Begging the showrunners to show Wally West/The Flash, Garth/Aqualad/Tempest, and Roy Harper/Speedy/Arsenal/Red Arrow for just one episode so they can team up with Dick and Donna for some "Fab Five" content in increasingly desperate ways. Became a bit of a DeathMeme after [[spoiler:Garth's death.]]