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** Garth Ennis Really hates the IRA. He has several characters call them out in "Kitchen Irish" how stupid and cowardly they are.

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** Garth Ennis Creator/GarthEnnis Really hates the IRA. He has several characters call them out in "Kitchen Irish" how stupid and cowardly they are.



** If there's anything that Ennis might hate more than the two above, it's human traffickers, if ''The Slavers'' says anything.

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** If there's anything that Ennis might hate more than the two above, it's human traffickers, if ''The Slavers'' "The Slavers" says anything.



* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: Some of the storylines may fall into this territory, as they no sympathetic characters to root for. Only assholes you are likely to see dead.

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* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: Some of the storylines may fall into this territory, as they there are no sympathetic characters to root for. Only assholes you are likely to see dead.



** General Zakharov of the ''Mother Russia'' and ''Man of Stone'' story arcs. He was sent to investigate the attempted theft of a bioweapon, and when the Punisher goes in to steal it he keeps his identity secret, to the point of letting Moscow think an American trained terrorist group who hijacked a plane for a suicide bombing on Moscow were Al Qaeda. He reasoned that Russia would be too scared to fight Arab terrorists, but were prepared for nuclear war with America, and watched as Castle hid inside a nuclear missile and faked a missile attack to escape. [[MoralEventHorizon Then there was how he fought in Afghanistan...]]

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** General Zakharov of the ''Mother Russia'' "Mother Russia" and ''Man "Man of Stone'' Stone" story arcs. He was sent to investigate the attempted theft of a bioweapon, and when the Punisher goes in to steal it he keeps his identity secret, to the point of letting Moscow think an American trained terrorist group who hijacked a plane for a suicide bombing on Moscow were Al Qaeda. He reasoned that Russia would be too scared to fight Arab terrorists, but were prepared for nuclear war with America, and watched as Castle hid inside a nuclear missile and faked a missile attack to escape. [[MoralEventHorizon Then there was how he fought in Afghanistan...]]



** Delta Force commander George Howe is strongly hinted at the end of Valley Forge, Valley Forge[[note]]in the form of a far-too-late voicemail from the generals' envoy, Lieutenant Geller, by now on a flight away from the area[[/note]] to have suckered the cabal of generals as soon as the start of the arc -- possibly even before their ringleader revealed his big idea to the other generals -- and before that ending the generals belated realize at a dinner that Howe held all the cards: They'd tasked Howe with a black op on American soil so outside the law that they could neither stop nor safely punish him if he quit, his men were effectively preventing the generals' man from circumventing their commander, and Howe only agreed to take on the assignment with intent to bring the Punisher in for trial... so he ''won't'' have the Punisher killed, the generals' insider is incapable of killing the Punisher for them, they have no control over what happens with the tape[[note]]which Howe suspects that they were seeking even more than the Punisher's death[[/note]], and they have no leverage with which to do ''anything'' about Howe's actions.

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** Delta Force commander George Howe is strongly hinted at the end of Valley "Valley Forge, Valley Forge[[note]]in Forge"[[note]]in the form of a far-too-late voicemail from the generals' envoy, Lieutenant Geller, by now on a flight away from the area[[/note]] to have suckered the cabal of generals as soon as the start of the arc -- possibly even before their ringleader revealed his big idea to the other generals -- and before that ending the generals belated realize at a dinner that Howe held all the cards: They'd tasked Howe with a black op on American soil so outside the law that they could neither stop nor safely punish him if he quit, his men were effectively preventing the generals' man from circumventing their commander, and Howe only agreed to take on the assignment with intent to bring the Punisher in for trial... so he ''won't'' have the Punisher killed, the generals' insider is incapable of killing the Punisher for them, they have no control over what happens with the tape[[note]]which Howe suspects that they were seeking even more than the Punisher's death[[/note]], and they have no leverage with which to do ''anything'' about Howe's actions.



* TearJerker: The flashbacks to Castle's pre-Punisher life in the ''Frank'' arc. They show that even when he still had his family he was completely detached and unable to withstand a non-violent life. In fact, the last thing he ever said to his wife is [[spoiler:I'm leaving.]] And in the final issue we get a poignant visual showing just how much he regrets that decision: [[spoiler: The words "''I'm sorry''" painted (perhaps in blood) on a wall inside his old family house.]] Just for an extra kick we get the [[spoiler: final entry in his War Journal: "''Still in old house. Sleep in living room now. Bedroom smells too much like Maria. I won't go in there anymore''."]] Or the make it quicker, the second half of the series is one big tearjerker for Frank.
* VillainDecay: Nicky Cavella, who is first set up as a {{Magnificent Bastard}} master of {{Xanatos Speed Chess}} is hit by this trope ''hard'' in Up Is Down, Black Is White, revealing him to be little more than a whimpering coward who loses the respect of his own {{Mooks}}.

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* TearJerker: The flashbacks to Castle's pre-Punisher life in the ''Frank'' "Frank" arc. They show that even when he still had his family he was completely detached and unable to withstand a non-violent life. In fact, the last thing he ever said to his wife is [[spoiler:I'm leaving.]] And in the final issue we get a poignant visual showing just how much he regrets that decision: [[spoiler: The words "''I'm sorry''" painted (perhaps in blood) on a wall inside his old family house.]] Just for an extra kick we get the [[spoiler: final entry in his War Journal: "''Still in old house. Sleep in living room now. Bedroom smells too much like Maria. I won't go in there anymore''."]] Or the make it quicker, the second half of the series is one big tearjerker for Frank.
* VillainDecay: Nicky Cavella, who is first set up as a {{Magnificent Bastard}} master of {{Xanatos Speed Chess}} is hit by this trope ''hard'' in Up "Up Is Down, Black Is White, White", revealing him to be little more than a whimpering coward who loses the respect of his own {{Mooks}}.
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* AntiClimax: The Punisher's fight with The Heavy/[[spoiler:Jigsaw]] in "''Girls in White Dresses''". After all the buildup they have a three-page fight scene that ends with Frank just sorta knocking him out a window and onto a passing freight train.



* VillainDecay: Nicky Cavella, who is first set up as a {{Magnificent Bastard}} master of {{Xanatos Speed Chess}} is hit by this trope ''hard'' in Up Is Down, Black Is White, revealing him to be little more than a whimpering coward who loses the respect of his own {{Mooks}}.
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** ''The Slavers'', probably the bleakest, most visceral ''Punisher'' story ever written, was based on Ennis's opinion of human traffickers. Hint: He doesn't like them.
*** Perhaps the cover of Frank sharpening a knife as he reads a book on Basic Human Anatomy will give you a clue that Ennis takes his hatred further than most. He also wrote the game and this story shows up.
*** Frank Castle's hatred of the human traffickers in ''The Slavers'' is (paraphrasing) "''the worst he'd ever hated someone in a long time''." In MAX continuity, Frank's been The Punisher for at least a couple of decades.
** Some of Ennis' political thoughts are chilling. The first line of "The End", where the war on terror goes nuclear? Soon.

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* VillainDecay: Nicky Cavella, who is first set up as a {{Magnificent Bastard}} master of {{Xanatos Speed Chess}} is hit by this trope ''hard'' in Up Is Down, Black Is White, revealing him to be little more than a whimpering coward who loses the respect of his own {{Mooks}}.
* WriterOnBoard:
** ''The Slavers'', probably the bleakest, most visceral ''Punisher'' story ever written, was based on Ennis's opinion of human traffickers. Hint: He doesn't like them.
*** Perhaps the cover of Frank sharpening a knife as he reads a book on Basic Human Anatomy will give you a clue that Ennis takes his hatred further than most. He also wrote the game and this story shows up.
*** Frank Castle's hatred of the human traffickers in ''The Slavers'' is (paraphrasing) "''the worst he'd ever hated someone in a long time''." In MAX continuity, Frank's been The Punisher for at least a couple of decades.
** Some of Ennis' political thoughts are chilling. The first line of "The End", where the war on terror goes nuclear? Soon.
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* PoliticallyIncorrectVillain: Nicky Cavella, Rawlins, the Bulats, the Generals, and Finn Cooley all drop ethnic slurs like it's going out of style. This gets Finn in deep shit when he loudly proclaims he'll ''"never be anyone's nigger again!"'' in a bar full of black guys. The Heavy/[[spoiler:Jigsaw]] is pretty racist as well as ''very'' misogynistic, referring to Hispanic women as "''spic bitches''", "''coozes''", and "''whores''" nearly every time he opens his mouth.
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* UnfortunateImplications: Everything about Barracuda. A gigantic, grotesquely muscled black man in stereotypical "gangsta" dress, with gold teeth (that have "fuck" written on them), who runs around calling everyone "muthafucka?" And who can be persuaded to switch sides with an offer of oral sex from a white woman?
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-->'''Frank:''' I knew a lot of men would have to die.

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-->'''Frank:''' [[PapaWolf I knew a lot of men men]] [[RoaringRampageOfRevenge would have to die.]]

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** He's not too fond of corporations, either; Frank butchers the executives and major investors of an Enron stand-in in "Barracuda," and even earlier, the only thing Frank calls anti-corporate vigilante Mr. Payback out on is that he accidentally shot through a wall and hit an innocent cleaning woman while gunning down a [[CorruptCorporateExecutive corporate boardroom full of amoral executives.]]

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** He's not too fond of corporations, either; Frank butchers the executives and major investors of an Enron stand-in in "Barracuda," and even earlier, the only thing Frank calls anti-corporate vigilante Mr. Payback out on is that he accidentally shot through a wall and hit an innocent cleaning woman while gunning down a [[CorruptCorporateExecutive corporate boardroom full of amoral executives.]]



** Delta Force commander George Howe is strongly hinted at the end of Valley Forge, Valley Forge[[note]]in the form of a far-too-late voicemail from the generals' envoy, Lieutenant Geller, by now on a flight away from the area[[/note]] to have pretty much suckered the cabal of generals as soon as the start of the arc -- possibly even before their ringleader revealed his big idea to the other generals -- and even before that ending the generals belated realize at a dinner that Howe held all the cards: They'd tasked Howe with a black op on American soil so outside the law that they could neither stop nor safely punish him if he quit, his men were effectively preventing the generals' man from circumventing their commander, and Howe only agreed to take on the assignment with intent to bring the Punisher in for trial... so he ''won't'' have the Punisher killed, the generals' insider is incapable of killing the Punisher for them, they have no control over what happens with the tape[[note]]which Howe suspects that they were seeking even more than the Punisher's death[[/note]], and they have no leverage with which to do ''anything'' about Howe's actions.

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** Delta Force commander George Howe is strongly hinted at the end of Valley Forge, Valley Forge[[note]]in the form of a far-too-late voicemail from the generals' envoy, Lieutenant Geller, by now on a flight away from the area[[/note]] to have pretty much suckered the cabal of generals as soon as the start of the arc -- possibly even before their ringleader revealed his big idea to the other generals -- and even before that ending the generals belated realize at a dinner that Howe held all the cards: They'd tasked Howe with a black op on American soil so outside the law that they could neither stop nor safely punish him if he quit, his men were effectively preventing the generals' man from circumventing their commander, and Howe only agreed to take on the assignment with intent to bring the Punisher in for trial... so he ''won't'' have the Punisher killed, the generals' insider is incapable of killing the Punisher for them, they have no control over what happens with the tape[[note]]which Howe suspects that they were seeking even more than the Punisher's death[[/note]], and they have no leverage with which to do ''anything'' about Howe's actions.



** In ''The End'', [[spoiler: Frank Castle]] of all people got one when he [[spoiler: shot up an entire facility full of survivors, including the innocent servants/assistants, because they engineered a {{Hidden Elf Village}} in case of nuclear war and he SUSPECTED that they (as in their elite social class, not these people specifically) caused the attack in the first place, killing off the last of humanity]]. Thank goodness it's non-canon.

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** In ''The End'', [[spoiler: Frank Castle]] of all people got one when he [[spoiler: shot up an entire a facility full of survivors, including the innocent servants/assistants, because they engineered a {{Hidden Elf Village}} in case of nuclear war and he SUSPECTED that they (as in their elite social class, not these people specifically) caused the attack in the first place, killing off the last of humanity]]. Thank goodness it's non-canon.



** Kingpin has one of the worst in the entire series. [[spoiler: Faced with his old enemies holding his son at knife point, and forced to choose between saving his little boy's life and killing the last people standing in his way, he coldly shoots them, not showing a hint of emotion as his rival cuts the boy's throat. He then embraces his wife and tells her "''we can have another''."]]
*** Even allowing that Kingpin didn't actually had much of a choice there[[note]]his opponent was a CompleteMonster himself and his {{Mook}}s already had the drop on him[[/note]], Kingpin's ''reaction'' to the SadisticChoice was not IDidWhatIHadToDo or a DrowningMySorrows but rather a reflection on [[ItsAllAboutMe how much he didn't really love his son after all]].

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** Kingpin has one of the worst in the entire series. [[spoiler: Faced with his old enemies holding his son at knife point, and forced to choose between saving his little boy's life and killing the last people standing in his way, he coldly shoots them, not showing a hint of emotion as his rival cuts the boy's throat. He then embraces his wife and tells her "''we can have another''."]]
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"]] Even allowing that Kingpin didn't actually had much of a choice there[[note]]his opponent was a CompleteMonster himself and his {{Mook}}s already had the drop on him[[/note]], there, Kingpin's ''reaction'' to the SadisticChoice was not IDidWhatIHadToDo or a DrowningMySorrows but rather a reflection on [[ItsAllAboutMe how much he didn't really love his son after all]].



* TearJerker: The flashbacks to Castle's pre-Punisher life in the ''Frank'' arc. They show that even when he still had his family he was completely detached and unable to withstand a non-violent life. In fact, the last thing he ever said to his wife is [[spoiler:I'm leaving.]] And in the final issue we get a poignant visual showing just how much he regrets that decision: [[spoiler: The words "''I'm sorry''" painted (perhaps in blood) on a wall inside his old family house.]] Just for an extra kick we get the [[spoiler: final entry in his War Journal: "''Still in old house. Sleep in living room now. Bedroom smells too much like Maria. I won't go in there anymore''."]] Or the make it quicker, pretty much the entire second half of the series is one big tearjerker for Frank.

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* TearJerker: The flashbacks to Castle's pre-Punisher life in the ''Frank'' arc. They show that even when he still had his family he was completely detached and unable to withstand a non-violent life. In fact, the last thing he ever said to his wife is [[spoiler:I'm leaving.]] And in the final issue we get a poignant visual showing just how much he regrets that decision: [[spoiler: The words "''I'm sorry''" painted (perhaps in blood) on a wall inside his old family house.]] Just for an extra kick we get the [[spoiler: final entry in his War Journal: "''Still in old house. Sleep in living room now. Bedroom smells too much like Maria. I won't go in there anymore''."]] Or the make it quicker, pretty much the entire second half of the series is one big tearjerker for Frank.



*** Perhaps the cover of Frank sharpening a knife as he reads a book on Basic Human Anatomy will give you a clue that Ennis takes his hatred further than most. Note also that he also wrote the game and this story shows up.
*** Frank Castle's hatred of the human traffickers in ''The Slavers'' is (paraphrasing) "''the worst he'd ever hated someone in a long time''." Note that in MAX continuity, Frank's been The Punisher for at least a couple of decades.

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*** Perhaps the cover of Frank sharpening a knife as he reads a book on Basic Human Anatomy will give you a clue that Ennis takes his hatred further than most. Note also that he He also wrote the game and this story shows up.
*** Frank Castle's hatred of the human traffickers in ''The Slavers'' is (paraphrasing) "''the worst he'd ever hated someone in a long time''." Note that in In MAX continuity, Frank's been The Punisher for at least a couple of decades.
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* UnfortunateImplications: Everything about Barracuda. A gigantic, grotesquely muscled black man in stereotypical "gangsta" dress, with gold teeth (that have "fuck" written on them), who runs around calling everyone "muthafucka?" And who can be persuaded to switch sides with an offer of oral sex from a white woman?
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** .** Delta Force commander George Howe is strongly hinted at the end of Valley Forge, Valley Forge[[note]]in the form of a far-too-late voicemail from the generals' envoy, Lieutenant Geller, by now on a flight away from the area[[/note]] to have pretty much suckered the cabal of generals as soon as the start of the arc -- possibly even before their ringleader revealed his big idea to the other generals -- and even before that ending the generals belated realize at a dinner that Howe held all the cards: They'd tasked Howe with a black op on American soil so outside the law that they could neither stop nor safely punish him if he quit, his men were effectively preventing the generals' man from circumventing their commander, and Howe only agreed to take on the assignment with intent to bring the Punisher in for trial... so he ''won't'' have the Punisher killed, the generals' insider is incapable of killing the Punisher for them, they have no control over what happens with the tape[[note]]which Howe suspects that they were seeking even more than the Punisher's death[[/note]], and they have no leverage with which to do ''anything'' about Howe's actions.

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* AntiClimax: The Punisher's fight with The Heavy/[[spoiler:Jigsaw]] in "Girls in White Dresses". After all the buildup they have a three-page fight scene that ends with Frank just sorta knocking him out a window and onto a passing freight train.

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* AntiClimax: The Punisher's fight with The Heavy/[[spoiler:Jigsaw]] in "Girls "''Girls in White Dresses".Dresses''". After all the buildup they have a three-page fight scene that ends with Frank just sorta knocking him out a window and onto a passing freight train.



* HolyShitQuotient: Issue 18 of the ''Punisher Max'', the one by Jason Aaron, kicks things off by having [[spoiler: [[JokerImmunity Frank blowing]] [[SubvertedTrope Bullseye's brains out while he's in a coma.]]]] Then moves on to [[spoiler: Kingpin laying waste to his own lieutenants, then has sex with Elektra amid the carnage]], followed by [[spoiler: Elektra and Mrs. Fisk getting it on]], and finally, out of nowhere [[spoiler: [[MoralEventHorizon Frank digs up the remains of Kingpin's eight year old son]]]].

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* HolyShitQuotient: Issue 18 of the ''Punisher Max'', the one by Jason Aaron, Aaron's ''The Punisher MAX'' kicks things off by having [[spoiler: [[JokerImmunity Frank blowing]] [[SubvertedTrope Bullseye's brains out while he's in a coma.]]]] Then moves on to [[spoiler: Kingpin laying waste to his own lieutenants, then has proceeding to have sex with Elektra amid the carnage]], followed by [[spoiler: Elektra and Mrs. Fisk getting it on]], and finally, out of nowhere [[spoiler: [[MoralEventHorizon Frank digs up the remains of Kingpin's eight year old eight-year-old son]]]].



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** Kingpin has one of the worst in the entire series. [[spoiler: Faced with his old enemies holding his son at knife point, and forced to choose between saving his little boy's life and killing the last people standing in his way, he coldly shoots them, not showing a hint of emotion as his rival cuts the boy's throat. He then embraces his wife and tells her "We can have another."]]
*** To be absolutely fair, it's not as if Kingpin actually had much of a choice there, since his opponent was a CompleteMonster himself and his {{Mook}}s already had the drop on him. What really made it a MEH was Kingpin's reaction to the SadisticChoice; rather than a IDidWhatIHadToDo or a DrowningMySorrows was reflection on [[ItsAllAboutMe how much he didn't really love his son after all]].

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** Kingpin has one of the worst in the entire series. [[spoiler: Faced with his old enemies holding his son at knife point, and forced to choose between saving his little boy's life and killing the last people standing in his way, he coldly shoots them, not showing a hint of emotion as his rival cuts the boy's throat. He then embraces his wife and tells her "We "''we can have another.another''."]]
*** To be absolutely fair, it's not as if Even allowing that Kingpin didn't actually had much of a choice there, since his there[[note]]his opponent was a CompleteMonster himself and his {{Mook}}s already had the drop on him. What really made it a MEH was him[[/note]], Kingpin's reaction ''reaction'' to the SadisticChoice; rather than a SadisticChoice was not IDidWhatIHadToDo or a DrowningMySorrows was but rather a reflection on [[ItsAllAboutMe how much he didn't really love his son after all]].



* PoliticallyIncorrectVillain: Nicky Cavella, Rawlins, the Bulats, the Generals, and Finn Cooley all drop ethnic slurs like it's going out of style. This gets Finn in deep shit when he loudly proclaims he'll ''"Never be anyone's nigger again!"'' in a bar full of black guys. The Heavy/[[spoiler:Jigsaw]] is pretty racist as well as ''very'' misogynistic, referring to Hispanic women as "spic bitches", "coozes", and "whores" nearly every time he opens his mouth.
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* PoliticallyIncorrectVillain: Nicky Cavella, Rawlins, the Bulats, the Generals, and Finn Cooley all drop ethnic slurs like it's going out of style. This gets Finn in deep shit when he loudly proclaims he'll ''"Never ''"never be anyone's nigger again!"'' in a bar full of black guys. The Heavy/[[spoiler:Jigsaw]] is pretty racist as well as ''very'' misogynistic, referring to Hispanic women as "spic bitches", "coozes", "''spic bitches''", "''coozes''", and "whores" "''whores''" nearly every time he opens his mouth.
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* TearJerker: The flashbacks to Castle's pre-Punisher life in the ''Frank'' arc. They show that even when he still had his family he was completely detached and unable to withstand a non-violent life. In fact, the last thing he ever said to his wife is [[spoiler:I'm leaving.]] And in the final issue we get a poignant visual showing just how much he regrets that decision: [[spoiler: The words "I'm sorry" painted (perhaps in blood) on a wall inside his old family house.]] Just for an extra kick we get the [[spoiler: final entry in his War Journal: "Still in old house. Sleep in living room now. Bedroom smells too much like Maria. I won't go in there anymore."]] Or the make it quicker, pretty much the entire second half of the series is one big tearjerker for Frank.

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* TearJerker: The flashbacks to Castle's pre-Punisher life in the ''Frank'' arc. They show that even when he still had his family he was completely detached and unable to withstand a non-violent life. In fact, the last thing he ever said to his wife is [[spoiler:I'm leaving.]] And in the final issue we get a poignant visual showing just how much he regrets that decision: [[spoiler: The words "I'm sorry" "''I'm sorry''" painted (perhaps in blood) on a wall inside his old family house.]] Just for an extra kick we get the [[spoiler: final entry in his War Journal: "Still "''Still in old house. Sleep in living room now. Bedroom smells too much like Maria. I won't go in there anymore.anymore''."]] Or the make it quicker, pretty much the entire second half of the series is one big tearjerker for Frank.



** ''The Slavers'', probably the bleakest, most visceral ''Punisher'' story ever written, was based on Ennis's opinion of human traffickers. Hint: He doesn't like them

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** ''The Slavers'', probably the bleakest, most visceral ''Punisher'' story ever written, was based on Ennis's opinion of human traffickers. Hint: He doesn't like themthem.



*** Frank Castle's hatred of the human traffickers in ''The Slavers'' is (paraphrasing) "the worst he'd ever hated someone in a long time." Note that in MAX continuity, Frank's been The Punisher for at least a couple of decades.

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*** Frank Castle's hatred of the human traffickers in ''The Slavers'' is (paraphrasing) "the "''the worst he'd ever hated someone in a long time.time''." Note that in MAX continuity, Frank's been The Punisher for at least a couple of decades.

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* CompleteMonster: With ''ComicBook/ThePunisher'' being DarkerAndEdgier, and the BlackAndGrayMorality of Frank Castle being an AntiHero who's willing to kill, to be a CompleteMonster, one must REALLY stand out. And these foes, all from the even more DarkerAndEdgier [[ComicBook/ThePunisherMAX MAX imprint]], definitely fit the bill.
** Nicholas "Nicky" Cavella is no ordinary [[TheMafia Mafioso]]. Renowned as a gangster whose crew has killed more people than Saddam Hussein, Nicky started his career in murder when he was [[EnfanteTerrible just a little boy]] by [[SelfMadeOrphan executing his parents]] and 12 year old sister, conspiring with his aunt to gain control of the family. When getting a start in the family, Nicky dealt with a particularly obstinate Chinese gangster by murdering the man's elder sons after having fed the man [[IAteWhat his junior high-aged boy after butchering and cooking him]]. Upon his return to New York following Frank Castle's rampage amongst the Cesare family, Nicky slaughters multiple people, betraying his own allies and throwing them to Frank to cover his own escape while also having his right hand psychopath Pittsy torture and castrate a CIA agent for information. When he returns later, Nicky enrages Frank further by digging up the remains of his family and filming himself pissing on them. When his schemes meet a predictable end, Nicky attempts to escape by using a little boy as a hostage with a gun to his head. A sniveling coward under a tough guy exterior, Cavella was nevertheless the worst of the gangsters Frank had to face.
** [[DepravedBisexual William Rawlins]] (who had an affair with, and worked with, Cavella) was a [[TheSociopath sociopathic]], {{greed}}y {{CIA}} operative who made his living as a leech in war zones. [[ChronicBackstabbingDisorder Betraying any ally]] for a quick buck, Rawlins once even threw his wife overboard to the Taliban rather than give up a shipment of heroin, knowing full well she'd be tortured and raped. Going deep undercover in Saudi Arabia, Rawlins created a terrorist cell and used them to hijack a civilian airliner for a suicide attack on Moscow to create the illusion of a terrorist attack. When he later heads to Afghanistan on business, he has no compunction committing more betrayals and trying to see his vengeful ex-wife dead with Frank Castle. Betraying his benefactor, Rawlins [[SlashedThroat slits the man's loyal second in command's throat]] and promises to [[WouldHurtAChild find the man's young son and rape him to death]] in Moscow. Described as a parasite who lives only to make the world a hellish place he could profit from, Rawlins thought nothing of murder, betrayal or any other crime as long as he could earn more from it.
** Tiberiu Bulat, his son Cristu Bulat, and their associate Vera are the villains of ''The Slavers'' storyline. Tiberiu and Cristu were part of an Eastern European militia responsible for ethnic cleansing, slaughtering entire villages until Cristu got the idea to take young women captive. They forced them into sexual slavery and went to the United States to export the business. Tiberiu is a trigger-happy madman who'll kill anyone at the slightest provocation while Cristu and Vera are calculating business types who routinely have the girls raped, with Vera coming up with the strategy of "rape them to break them."
** [[ScaryBlackMan Barracuda]], one of Frank Castle's most resilient and persistent enemies, is always ready with [[FauxAffablyEvil a laugh or a joke]] to conceal the black-hearted, soulless monster he truly is. Showing his nasty side by trying to feed Castle and a gangster who failed to pay him on time to a great white shark, 'Cuda later betrayed a man who had worked with him for years simply because he got a better offer. After being defeated by Frank once, Barracuda hunted down an ally of Frank's and murdered him and the man's wife for information before [[WouldHurtAChild kidnapping Frank's infant daughter]] to torture her to death in front of Frank. In ''ComicBook/FuryMyWarGoneBy'', Barracuda was revealed as even worse: a [[SociopathicSoldier former Green Beret]] in Nicaragua, Barracuda executed members of the government by {{chainsaw|Good}} after trying to psychologically torture them; he also assisted in the atrocities of the [[UsefulNotes/{{Nicaragua}} Contras]] for extra cash. To prove a point of how little the US uniform meant to him, he kicked a decapitated child at Nick Fury. Defined by [[ItsAllAboutMe selfishness]], cruelty and [[ChronicBackstabbingDisorder his willingness to betray anyone]] for [[{{Greed}} a buck]], not even the “Barracuda charm” can disguise what a savage he truly is.
** [[ComicBook/TheKingpin Wilson Fisk]] begins as a mob boss's bodyguard with a scheme to manipulate the mob and The Punisher to make himself the Kingpin of New York. Fisk is steadily revealed as a callous monster who paralyzed his abusive father and let rats eat his face. After he was [[PrisonRape raped in prison]], he tracked down the perpetrator's innocent wife, [[DisproportionateRetribution allowing the filthiest bums and crackheads he could find to rape her]] before he murdered her, and sent the photos to her husband. When Fisk's schemes unravel, his innocent child is held at knifepoint by Fisk's former boss. Fisk coldly allows his son's throat to be slit and icily informs his wife they can simply have another, admitting he never truly loved his son. As the Kingpin, Fisk is brutal, killing lieutenants and foes alike, and exiling his grieving wife. In his final battle with Castle, Fisk reveals himself as a [[ItsAllAboutMe self-centered egomaniac who believes he owns the city and has the right to do what he wishes with it]].
** [[PsychoForHire Bullseye]] is presented as a truly vile killer in the MAX series. Initially [[ProfessionalKiller an assassin]] who loves his job perhaps a little too much, Bullseye becomes obsessed with getting inside Frank Castle's head. To this end, he begins targeting happy families, murdering the husband, raping the wife and taking her and the kids out on a "picnic" where he has his goons gun them all down to recreate the scene when Castle lost his family. When he finally confronts and battles Castle, Bullseye shows nothing but unmitigated bliss at being the one criminal who can truly mentally rattle him.

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* CompleteMonster: With ''ComicBook/ThePunisher'' being DarkerAndEdgier, and the BlackAndGrayMorality of Frank Castle being an AntiHero who's willing to kill, to be a CompleteMonster, one must REALLY stand out. And these foes, all from the even more DarkerAndEdgier [[ComicBook/ThePunisherMAX MAX imprint]], definitely fit the bill.
** Nicholas "Nicky" Cavella is no ordinary [[TheMafia Mafioso]]. Renowned as a gangster whose crew has killed more people than Saddam Hussein, Nicky started his career in murder when he was [[EnfanteTerrible just a little boy]] by [[SelfMadeOrphan executing his parents]] and 12 year old sister, conspiring with his aunt to gain control of the family. When getting a start in the family, Nicky dealt with a particularly obstinate Chinese gangster by murdering the man's elder sons after having fed the man [[IAteWhat his junior high-aged boy after butchering and cooking him]]. Upon his return to New York following Frank Castle's rampage amongst the Cesare family, Nicky slaughters multiple people, betraying his own allies and throwing them to Frank to cover his own escape while also having his right hand psychopath Pittsy torture and castrate a CIA agent for information. When he returns later, Nicky enrages Frank further by digging up the remains of his family and filming himself pissing on them. When his schemes meet a predictable end, Nicky attempts to escape by using a little boy as a hostage with a gun to his head. A sniveling coward under a tough guy exterior, Cavella was nevertheless the worst of the gangsters Frank had to face.
** [[DepravedBisexual William Rawlins]] (who had an affair with, and worked with, Cavella) was a [[TheSociopath sociopathic]], {{greed}}y {{CIA}} operative who made his living as a leech in war zones. [[ChronicBackstabbingDisorder Betraying any ally]] for a quick buck, Rawlins once even threw his wife overboard to the Taliban rather than give up a shipment of heroin, knowing full well she'd be tortured and raped. Going deep undercover in Saudi Arabia, Rawlins created a terrorist cell and used them to hijack a civilian airliner for a suicide attack on Moscow to create the illusion of a terrorist attack. When he later heads to Afghanistan on business, he has no compunction committing more betrayals and trying to see his vengeful ex-wife dead with Frank Castle. Betraying his benefactor, Rawlins [[SlashedThroat slits the man's loyal second in command's throat]] and promises to [[WouldHurtAChild find the man's young son and rape him to death]] in Moscow. Described as a parasite who lives only to make the world a hellish place he could profit from, Rawlins thought nothing of murder, betrayal or any other crime as long as he could earn more from it.
** Tiberiu Bulat, his son Cristu Bulat, and their associate Vera are the villains of ''The Slavers'' storyline. Tiberiu and Cristu were part of an Eastern European militia responsible for ethnic cleansing, slaughtering entire villages until Cristu got the idea to take young women captive. They forced them into sexual slavery and went to the United States to export the business. Tiberiu is a trigger-happy madman who'll kill anyone at the slightest provocation while Cristu and Vera are calculating business types who routinely have the girls raped, with Vera coming up with the strategy of "rape them to break them."
** [[ScaryBlackMan Barracuda]], one of Frank Castle's most resilient and persistent enemies, is always ready with [[FauxAffablyEvil a laugh or a joke]] to conceal the black-hearted, soulless monster he truly is. Showing his nasty side by trying to feed Castle and a gangster who failed to pay him on time to a great white shark, 'Cuda later betrayed a man who had worked with him for years simply because he got a better offer. After being defeated by Frank once, Barracuda hunted down an ally of Frank's and murdered him and the man's wife for information before [[WouldHurtAChild kidnapping Frank's infant daughter]] to torture her to death in front of Frank. In ''ComicBook/FuryMyWarGoneBy'', Barracuda was revealed as even worse: a [[SociopathicSoldier former Green Beret]] in Nicaragua, Barracuda executed members of the government by {{chainsaw|Good}} after trying to psychologically torture them; he also assisted in the atrocities of the [[UsefulNotes/{{Nicaragua}} Contras]] for extra cash. To prove a point of how little the US uniform meant to him, he kicked a decapitated child at Nick Fury. Defined by [[ItsAllAboutMe selfishness]], cruelty and [[ChronicBackstabbingDisorder his willingness to betray anyone]] for [[{{Greed}} a buck]], not even the “Barracuda charm” can disguise what a savage he truly is.
** [[ComicBook/TheKingpin Wilson Fisk]] begins as a mob boss's bodyguard with a scheme to manipulate the mob and The Punisher to make himself the Kingpin of New York. Fisk is steadily revealed as a callous monster who paralyzed his abusive father and let rats eat his face. After he was [[PrisonRape raped in prison]], he tracked down the perpetrator's innocent wife, [[DisproportionateRetribution allowing the filthiest bums and crackheads he could find to rape her]] before he murdered her, and sent the photos to her husband. When Fisk's schemes unravel, his innocent child is held at knifepoint by Fisk's former boss. Fisk coldly allows his son's throat to be slit and icily informs his wife they can simply have another, admitting he never truly loved his son. As the Kingpin, Fisk is brutal, killing lieutenants and foes alike, and exiling his grieving wife. In his final battle with Castle, Fisk reveals himself as a [[ItsAllAboutMe self-centered egomaniac who believes he owns the city and has the right to do what he wishes with it]].
** [[PsychoForHire Bullseye]] is presented as a truly vile killer in the MAX series. Initially [[ProfessionalKiller an assassin]] who loves his job perhaps a little too much, Bullseye becomes obsessed with getting inside Frank Castle's head. To this end, he begins targeting happy families, murdering the husband, raping the wife and taking her and the kids out on a "picnic" where he has his goons gun them all down to recreate the scene when Castle lost his family. When he finally confronts and battles Castle, Bullseye shows nothing but unmitigated bliss at being the one criminal who can truly mentally rattle him.
*CompleteMonster: See [[Monster/ThePunisher here]].
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* FridgeBrilliance: Kicks in when you read the one-shot ''The Tyger'', which reveals that when Frank was a boy, a girl he liked was raped by the son of the local mafia don, who made a habit of doing this to local girls because no-one would touch him due to their fear of his father.
* FridgeHorror: Kicks in when you read issues 11 and 12 of ''Comicbook/FuryMyWarGoneBy'', a ground-level view of the Contra War in UsefulNotes/{{Nicaragua}}; ''this is why Barracuda is such a nightmare.'' In principle, he's no different from any of the faceless drug dealers Frank wastes on a daily basis; a smooth-talking amoral sociopath. In practice, he's what you get when one of those jerks gets '''the same training as Castle.'''
-->'''George Hatherly''': ''Hey, if you can make money from narcotics and use your war for cover-why not use that to pay for your war? And you know what you get then? You get Barracuda.''
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** If there's anything that Ennis might hate more than the two above, it's Human Traffickers, if ''The Slavers'' says anything.
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** If there's anything that Ennis might hate more than the two above, it's Human Traffickers, human traffickers, if ''The Slavers'' says anything.
* AntiClimax: The Punisher's fight with The Heavy/[[spoiler:Jigsaw]] in "Girls in White Dresses". After all the buildup they have a 3-page three-page fight scene that ends with Frank just sorta knocking him out a window and onto a passing freight train.

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** Nicky Cavella is no ordinary mafioso, but [[spoiler: murdered his family (including his aunt, although she was molesting him), chopped up and fed a Triad boss' son to him, killed a cop he'd taken hostage, and started the "Up Is Down, Black Is White" arc by digging up and urinating on the skeletons of the Punisher's wife and children, then deliberately sent the video to the nightly news so that Castle would see it]], with Cavella himself clearly identified as the culprit. While it succeeded as intended in throwing off the Punisher's self-preservation instinct, former associate Rawlins pointed out that there was no way that ''mere'' gangsters could actually take advantage of this. He met his end following a botched attempt to finish the job himself after losing Teresa (sister of the henchman Pittsy from the first arc), Rawlins, and his entire gang to the Punisher -- who'd killed so many of Nicky's men that he couldn't threaten those who wanted out -- and O'Brien.
** Rawlins dumped a crewman (killed) and his wife O'Brien overboard to be raped by the Taliban so that his helicopter would be able to stay airborne with him and the drug shipment, activates a terrorist group to hijack an airliner and fly it at the Kremlin ''as a diversion'' for another operation, and when he murders Zakharov's right-hand man (who seemed, along with Zakharov, to recognize the sniveling Jerkass underneath the SmugSnake exterior), he taunts the dying bodyguard by vowing to rape his son to death. A similar kill attempt doesn't work against the Punisher [[spoiler: soon after O'Brien's death]].

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** Nicky **Nicholas "Nicky" Cavella is no ordinary mafioso, but [[spoiler: murdered his family (including his aunt, although she was molesting him), chopped up and fed [[TheMafia Mafioso]]. Renowned as a Triad boss' son to him, gangster whose crew has killed a cop he'd taken hostage, and more people than Saddam Hussein, Nicky started his career in murder when he was [[EnfanteTerrible just a little boy]] by [[SelfMadeOrphan executing his parents]] and 12 year old sister, conspiring with his aunt to gain control of the "Up Is Down, Black Is White" arc family. When getting a start in the family, Nicky dealt with a particularly obstinate Chinese gangster by murdering the man's elder sons after having fed the man [[IAteWhat his junior high-aged boy after butchering and cooking him]]. Upon his return to New York following Frank Castle's rampage amongst the Cesare family, Nicky slaughters multiple people, betraying his own allies and throwing them to Frank to cover his own escape while also having his right hand psychopath Pittsy torture and castrate a CIA agent for information. When he returns later, Nicky enrages Frank further by digging up the remains of his family and urinating filming himself pissing on the skeletons of the Punisher's wife and children, then deliberately sent the video them. When his schemes meet a predictable end, Nicky attempts to the nightly news so that Castle would see it]], escape by using a little boy as a hostage with a gun to his head. A sniveling coward under a tough guy exterior, Cavella himself clearly identified as was nevertheless the culprit. While it succeeded as intended in throwing off worst of the Punisher's self-preservation instinct, former associate Rawlins pointed out that there was no way that ''mere'' gangsters could actually take advantage of this. He met Frank had to face.
**[[DepravedBisexual William Rawlins]] (who had an affair with, and worked with, Cavella) was a [[TheSociopath sociopathic]], {{greed}}y {{CIA}} operative who made
his end following living as a botched attempt to finish the job himself after losing Teresa (sister of the henchman Pittsy from the first arc), Rawlins, and his entire gang to the Punisher -- who'd killed so many of Nicky's men that he couldn't threaten those who wanted out -- and O'Brien.
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leech in war zones. [[ChronicBackstabbingDisorder Betraying any ally]] for a quick buck, Rawlins dumped a crewman (killed) and once even threw his wife O'Brien overboard to be raped by the Taliban so that his helicopter would rather than give up a shipment of heroin, knowing full well she'd be able to stay airborne with him tortured and the drug shipment, activates raped. Going deep undercover in Saudi Arabia, Rawlins created a terrorist group cell and used them to hijack an a civilian airliner for a suicide attack on Moscow to create the illusion of a terrorist attack. When he later heads to Afghanistan on business, he has no compunction committing more betrayals and fly it at the Kremlin ''as a diversion'' for another operation, and when he murders Zakharov's right-hand man (who seemed, along trying to see his vengeful ex-wife dead with Zakharov, to recognize Frank Castle. Betraying his benefactor, Rawlins [[SlashedThroat slits the sniveling Jerkass underneath man's loyal second in command's throat]] and promises to [[WouldHurtAChild find the SmugSnake exterior), he taunts the dying bodyguard by vowing to man's young son and rape his son him to death. A similar kill attempt doesn't work against death]] in Moscow. Described as a parasite who lives only to make the Punisher [[spoiler: soon after O'Brien's death]].world a hellish place he could profit from, Rawlins thought nothing of murder, betrayal or any other crime as long as he could earn more from it.



** [[ScaryBlackMan Barracuda]], one of Frank Castle's most resilient and persistent enemies, is always ready with [[FauxAffablyEvil a laugh or a joke]] to conceal the black-hearted, soulless monster he truly is. Showing his nasty side by trying to feed Castle and a gangster who failed to pay him on time to a great white shark, 'Cuda later betrayed a man who had worked with him for years simply because he got a better offer. After being defeated by Frank once, Barracuda hunted down an ally of Frank's and murdered him and the man's wife for information before [[WouldHurtAChild kidnapping Frank's infant daughter]] to torture her to death in front of Frank. In ''ComicBook/FuryMyWarGoneBy'', Barracuda was revealed as even worse: a [[SociopathicSoldier former Green Beret]] in Nicaragua, Barracuda executed members of the government by [[ChainsawGood chainsaw]] after trying to psychologically torture them; he also assisted in the atrocities of the [[UsefulNotes/{{Nicaragua}} Contras]] for extra cash. To prove a point of how little the US uniform meant to him, he kicked a decapitated child at Nick Fury. Defined by [[ItsAllAboutMe selfishness]], cruelty and [[ChronicBackstabbingDisorder his willingness to betray anyone]] for [[{{Greed}} a buck]], not even the “Barracuda charm” can disguise what a savage he truly is.

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** [[ScaryBlackMan Barracuda]], one of Frank Castle's most resilient and persistent enemies, is always ready with [[FauxAffablyEvil a laugh or a joke]] to conceal the black-hearted, soulless monster he truly is. Showing his nasty side by trying to feed Castle and a gangster who failed to pay him on time to a great white shark, 'Cuda later betrayed a man who had worked with him for years simply because he got a better offer. After being defeated by Frank once, Barracuda hunted down an ally of Frank's and murdered him and the man's wife for information before [[WouldHurtAChild kidnapping Frank's infant daughter]] to torture her to death in front of Frank. In ''ComicBook/FuryMyWarGoneBy'', Barracuda was revealed as even worse: a [[SociopathicSoldier former Green Beret]] in Nicaragua, Barracuda executed members of the government by [[ChainsawGood chainsaw]] {{chainsaw|Good}} after trying to psychologically torture them; he also assisted in the atrocities of the [[UsefulNotes/{{Nicaragua}} Contras]] for extra cash. To prove a point of how little the US uniform meant to him, he kicked a decapitated child at Nick Fury. Defined by [[ItsAllAboutMe selfishness]], cruelty and [[ChronicBackstabbingDisorder his willingness to betray anyone]] for [[{{Greed}} a buck]], not even the “Barracuda charm” can disguise what a savage he truly is.



** [[PsychoForHire Bullseye]] is presented as a truly vile killer in the MAX series. Initially [[ProfessionalKiller an assassin]] who loves his job perhaps a little too much, Bullseye becomes obsessed with getting inside Frank Castle's head. To this end, he begins targeting happy families, murdering the husband, raping the wife and taking her and the kids out on a 'picnic' where he has his goons gun them all down to recreate the scene when Castle lost his family. When he finally confronts and battles Castle, Bullseye shows nothing but unmitigated bliss at being the one criminal who can truly mentally rattle him.

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** [[PsychoForHire Bullseye]] is presented as a truly vile killer in the MAX series. Initially [[ProfessionalKiller an assassin]] who loves his job perhaps a little too much, Bullseye becomes obsessed with getting inside Frank Castle's head. To this end, he begins targeting happy families, murdering the husband, raping the wife and taking her and the kids out on a 'picnic' "picnic" where he has his goons gun them all down to recreate the scene when Castle lost his family. When he finally confronts and battles Castle, Bullseye shows nothing but unmitigated bliss at being the one criminal who can truly mentally rattle him.

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** The Heavy/[[spoiler:Jigsaw]] and his drug trafficking buddies in "Girls in White Dresses" are real pieces of work. They kidnap various Hispanic women and girls, forcing them to work in their meth labs without any real safety gear. When the women are too ill from the fumes to work anymore, the drug runners kill them, scoop out their eyes and lungs (to disguise the symptoms of meth use), and leave their mutilated bodies in the street.

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** Some of Ennis' political thoughts are chilling. The first line of "The End", where the war on terror goes nuclear? Soon.

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** The Heavy/[[spoiler:Jigsaw]] and his drug trafficking buddies in "Girls in White Dresses" are real pieces of work. They kidnap various Hispanic women and girls, forcing them to work in their meth labs without any real safety gear. When the women are too ill from the fumes to work anymore, the drug runners kill them, scoop out their eyes and intestines (to disguise the symptoms of meth use), and leave their mutilated bodies in the street.

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** The Heavy/[[spoiler:Jigsaw]] and his drug trafficking buddies in "Girls in White Dresses" are real pieces of work. They kidnap various Hispanic women and girls, forcing them to work in their meth labs without any real safety gear. When the women are too ill from the fumes to work anymore, the drug runners kill them, scoop out their eyes and intestines lungs (to disguise the symptoms of meth use), and leave their mutilated bodies in the street.

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** The Heavy/[[spoiler:Jigsaw]] and his drug trafficking buddies in "Girls in White Dresses" are real pieces of work. They kidnapp women and girls, forcing them to work in their meth labs without any real safety gear. When the women are too ill from the fumes to work anymore, the drug runners kill them, scoop out their eyes and intestines (to disguise the symptoms of meth use), and leave their mutilated bodies in the street.

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** The Heavy/[[spoiler:Jigsaw]] and his drug trafficking buddies in "Girls in White Dresses" are real pieces of work. They kidnapp kidnap various Hispanic women and girls, forcing them to work in their meth labs without any real safety gear. When the women are too ill from the fumes to work anymore, the drug runners kill them, scoop out their eyes and intestines (to disguise the symptoms of meth use), and leave their mutilated bodies in the street.


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* AntiClimax: The Punisher's fight with The Heavy/[[spoiler: Jigsaw]] in "Girls in White Dresses". After all the buildup they have a 3-page fight scene that ends with Frank just sorta knocking him out a window and onto a passing freight train.

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* FridgeHorror: Kicks in when you read issues 11 and 12 of ''Comicbook/FuryMyWarGoneBy'', a ground-level view of the Contra War in UsefulNotes/{{Nicaragua}}; ''this is why Barracuda is such a nightmare.'' In principle, he's no different from any of the faceless gang members Frank wastes on a daily basis; a smooth-talking amoral sociopath. In practice, he's what you get when one of those jerks gets '''the same training as Castle.'''

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* FridgeHorror: Kicks in when you read issues 11 and 12 of ''Comicbook/FuryMyWarGoneBy'', a ground-level view of the Contra War in UsefulNotes/{{Nicaragua}}; ''this is why Barracuda is such a nightmare.'' In principle, he's no different from any of the faceless gang members drug dealers Frank wastes on a daily basis; a smooth-talking amoral sociopath. In practice, he's what you get when one of those jerks gets '''the same training as Castle.'''
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-->'''George Hatherly''': ''Hey, if you can make money from narcotics and use your war for cover-why not use that to pay for your war? And you know what you get then? You get Barracuda.''

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** Tiberiu Bulat, his son Cristu Bulat, and their associate Vera are the villains of ''The Slavers'' storyline. Tiberiu and Cristu were part of an Eastern European militia responsible for ethnic cleansing, slaughtering entire villages until Cristu got the idea to take young women captive. They forced them into sexual slavery and went to the United States to export the business. Tiberiu is a trigger-happy madman who'll kill anyone at the slightest provocation while Cristu and Vera are calculating business types who routinely have the girls raped, with Vera coming up with the strategy of 'rape them to break them.'

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** Tiberiu Bulat, his son Cristu Bulat, and their associate Vera are the villains of ''The Slavers'' storyline. Tiberiu and Cristu were part of an Eastern European militia responsible for ethnic cleansing, slaughtering entire villages until Cristu got the idea to take young women captive. They forced them into sexual slavery and went to the United States to export the business. Tiberiu is a trigger-happy madman who'll kill anyone at the slightest provocation while Cristu and Vera are calculating business types who routinely have the girls raped, with Vera coming up with the strategy of 'rape "rape them to break them.'"
**[[ScaryBlackMan Barracuda]], one of Frank Castle's most resilient and persistent enemies, is always ready with [[FauxAffablyEvil a laugh or a joke]] to conceal the black-hearted, soulless monster he truly is. Showing his nasty side by trying to feed Castle and a gangster who failed to pay him on time to a great white shark, 'Cuda later betrayed a man who had worked with him for years simply because he got a better offer. After being defeated by Frank once, Barracuda hunted down an ally of Frank's and murdered him and the man's wife for information before [[WouldHurtAChild kidnapping Frank's infant daughter]] to torture her to death in front of Frank. In ''ComicBook/FuryMyWarGoneBy'', Barracuda was revealed as even worse: a [[SociopathicSoldier former Green Beret]] in Nicaragua, Barracuda executed members of the government by [[ChainsawGood chainsaw]] after trying to psychologically torture them; he also assisted in the atrocities of the [[UsefulNotes/{{Nicaragua}} Contras]] for extra cash. To prove a point of how little the US uniform meant to him, he kicked a decapitated child at Nick Fury. Defined by [[ItsAllAboutMe selfishness]], cruelty and [[ChronicBackstabbingDisorder his willingness to betray anyone]] for [[{{Greed}} a buck]], not even the “Barracuda charm” can disguise what a savage he truly is.

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** [[ComicBook/TheKingpin Wilson Fisk]] begins as a mob boss's bodyguard with a scheme to manipulate the mob and The Punisher to make himself the Kingpin of New York. Fisk is steadily revealed as a callous monster who paralyzed his abusive father and let rats eat his face. After he was [[PrisonRape raped in prison]], he tracked down the perpetrator's innocent wife, [[DisproportionateRetribution allowing the filthiest bums and crackheads he could find to rape her]] before he murdered her, and sent the photos to her husband. When Fisk's schemes unravel, his innocent child is held at knifepoint by Fisk's former boss. Fisk coldly allows his son's throat to be slit and icily informs his wife they can simply have another, admitting he never truly loved his son. As the Kingpin, Fisk is brutal, killing lieutenants and foes alike, and exiling his grieving wife. In his final battle with Castle, Fisk reveals himself as a self-center egomaniac who believes he owns the city and has the right to do what he wishes with it.

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** [[ComicBook/TheKingpin Wilson Fisk]] begins as a mob boss's bodyguard with a scheme to manipulate the mob and The Punisher to make himself the Kingpin of New York. Fisk is steadily revealed as a callous monster who paralyzed his abusive father and let rats eat his face. After he was [[PrisonRape raped in prison]], he tracked down the perpetrator's innocent wife, [[DisproportionateRetribution allowing the filthiest bums and crackheads he could find to rape her]] before he murdered her, and sent the photos to her husband. When Fisk's schemes unravel, his innocent child is held at knifepoint by Fisk's former boss. Fisk coldly allows his son's throat to be slit and icily informs his wife they can simply have another, admitting he never truly loved his son. As the Kingpin, Fisk is brutal, killing lieutenants and foes alike, and exiling his grieving wife. In his final battle with Castle, Fisk reveals himself as a self-center [[ItsAllAboutMe self-centered egomaniac who believes he owns the city and has the right to do what he wishes with it.it]].

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** [[ComicBook/TheKingpin Wilson Fisk]] begins as a mob boss's bodyguard with a scheme to manipulate the mob and The Punisher to make himself the Kingpin of New York. Fisk is steadily revealed as a callous monster who paralyzed his abusive father and let rats eat his face. After he was raped in prison, he tracked down the perpetrator's innocent wife, allowing the filthiest bums and crackheads he could find rape her before he murdered her, and sent the photos to her husband. When Fisk's schemes unravel, his innocent child is held at knifepoint by Fisk's former boss. Fisk coldly allows his son's throat to be slit and icily informs his wife they can simply have another, admitting he never truly loved his son. As the Kingpin, Fisk is brutal, killing lieutenants and foes alike, and exiling his grieving wife. In his final battle with Castle, Fisk reveals himself as a self-center egomaniac who believes he owns the city and has the right to do what he wishes with it.

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** [[ComicBook/TheKingpin Wilson Fisk]] begins as a mob boss's bodyguard with a scheme to manipulate the mob and The Punisher to make himself the Kingpin of New York. Fisk is steadily revealed as a callous monster who paralyzed his abusive father and let rats eat his face. After he was [[PrisonRape raped in prison, prison]], he tracked down the perpetrator's innocent wife, [[DisproportionateRetribution allowing the filthiest bums and crackheads he could find to rape her her]] before he murdered her, and sent the photos to her husband. When Fisk's schemes unravel, his innocent child is held at knifepoint by Fisk's former boss. Fisk coldly allows his son's throat to be slit and icily informs his wife they can simply have another, admitting he never truly loved his son. As the Kingpin, Fisk is brutal, killing lieutenants and foes alike, and exiling his grieving wife. In his final battle with Castle, Fisk reveals himself as a self-center egomaniac who believes he owns the city and has the right to do what he wishes with it.

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* CompleteMonster: With ''ComicBook/ThePunisher'' being DarkerAndEdgier, and the BlackAndGrayMorality of Frank Castle being an AntiHero who's willing to kill, to be a CompleteMonster, one must REALLY stand out. And these foes, all from the even more DarkerAndEdgier MAX imprint, definitely fit the bill.

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* CompleteMonster: With ''ComicBook/ThePunisher'' being DarkerAndEdgier, and the BlackAndGrayMorality of Frank Castle being an AntiHero who's willing to kill, to be a CompleteMonster, one must REALLY stand out. And these foes, all from the even more DarkerAndEdgier [[ComicBook/ThePunisherMAX MAX imprint, imprint]], definitely fit the bill.
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* OlderThanTheyThink: The first Marvel character to get a DarkerAndEdgier makeover on the MAX imprint wasn't the Punisher, but Comicbook/NickFury in 2001.
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* FridgeBrilliance: Kicks in when you read the one-shot ''The Tyger'', which reveals that when Frank was a boy, a girl he liked was raped by the son of the local mafia don, who made a habit of doing this to local girls because no-one would touch him due to their fear of his father.
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* AcceptableTargets:
** Garth Ennis Really hates the IRA. He has several characters call them out in "Kitchen Irish" how stupid and cowardly they are.
** He's not too fond of corporations, either; Frank butchers the executives and major investors of an Enron stand-in in "Barracuda," and even earlier, the only thing Frank calls anti-corporate vigilante Mr. Payback out on is that he accidentally shot through a wall and hit an innocent cleaning woman while gunning down a [[CorruptCorporateExecutive corporate boardroom full of amoral executives.]]
** If there's anything that Ennis might hate more than the two above, it's Human Traffickers, if ''The Slavers'' says anything.
* CompleteMonster: With ''ComicBook/ThePunisher'' being DarkerAndEdgier, and the BlackAndGrayMorality of Frank Castle being an AntiHero who's willing to kill, to be a CompleteMonster, one must REALLY stand out. And these foes, all from the even more DarkerAndEdgier MAX imprint, definitely fit the bill.
** Nicky Cavella is no ordinary mafioso, but [[spoiler: murdered his family (including his aunt, although she was molesting him), chopped up and fed a Triad boss' son to him, killed a cop he'd taken hostage, and started the "Up Is Down, Black Is White" arc by digging up and urinating on the skeletons of the Punisher's wife and children, then deliberately sent the video to the nightly news so that Castle would see it]], with Cavella himself clearly identified as the culprit. While it succeeded as intended in throwing off the Punisher's self-preservation instinct, former associate Rawlins pointed out that there was no way that ''mere'' gangsters could actually take advantage of this. He met his end following a botched attempt to finish the job himself after losing Teresa (sister of the henchman Pittsy from the first arc), Rawlins, and his entire gang to the Punisher -- who'd killed so many of Nicky's men that he couldn't threaten those who wanted out -- and O'Brien.
** Rawlins dumped a crewman (killed) and his wife O'Brien overboard to be raped by the Taliban so that his helicopter would be able to stay airborne with him and the drug shipment, activates a terrorist group to hijack an airliner and fly it at the Kremlin ''as a diversion'' for another operation, and when he murders Zakharov's right-hand man (who seemed, along with Zakharov, to recognize the sniveling Jerkass underneath the SmugSnake exterior), he taunts the dying bodyguard by vowing to rape his son to death. A similar kill attempt doesn't work against the Punisher [[spoiler: soon after O'Brien's death]].
** Tiberiu Bulat, his son Cristu Bulat, and their associate Vera are the villains of ''The Slavers'' storyline. Tiberiu and Cristu were part of an Eastern European militia responsible for ethnic cleansing, slaughtering entire villages until Cristu got the idea to take young women captive. They forced them into sexual slavery and went to the United States to export the business. Tiberiu is a trigger-happy madman who'll kill anyone at the slightest provocation while Cristu and Vera are calculating business types who routinely have the girls raped, with Vera coming up with the strategy of 'rape them to break them.'
** [[ComicBook/TheKingpin Wilson Fisk]] begins as a mob boss's bodyguard with a scheme to manipulate the mob and The Punisher to make himself the Kingpin of New York. Fisk is steadily revealed as a callous monster who paralyzed his abusive father and let rats eat his face. After he was raped in prison, he tracked down the perpetrator's innocent wife, allowing the filthiest bums and crackheads he could find rape her before he murdered her, and sent the photos to her husband. When Fisk's schemes unravel, his innocent child is held at knifepoint by Fisk's former boss. Fisk coldly allows his son's throat to be slit and icily informs his wife they can simply have another, admitting he never truly loved his son. As the Kingpin, Fisk is brutal, killing lieutenants and foes alike, and exiling his grieving wife. In his final battle with Castle, Fisk reveals himself as a self-center egomaniac who believes he owns the city and has the right to do what he wishes with it.
** [[PsychoForHire Bullseye]] is presented as a truly vile killer in the MAX series. Initially [[ProfessionalKiller an assassin]] who loves his job perhaps a little too much, Bullseye becomes obsessed with getting inside Frank Castle's head. To this end, he begins targeting happy families, murdering the husband, raping the wife and taking her and the kids out on a 'picnic' where he has his goons gun them all down to recreate the scene when Castle lost his family. When he finally confronts and battles Castle, Bullseye shows nothing but unmitigated bliss at being the one criminal who can truly mentally rattle him.
* DarknessInducedAudienceApathy: Some of the storylines may fall into this territory, as they no sympathetic characters to root for. Only assholes you are likely to see dead.
* HolyShitQuotient: Issue 18 of the ''Punisher Max'', the one by Jason Aaron, kicks things off by having [[spoiler: [[JokerImmunity Frank blowing]] [[SubvertedTrope Bullseye's brains out while he's in a coma.]]]] Then moves on to [[spoiler: Kingpin laying waste to his own lieutenants, then has sex with Elektra amid the carnage]], followed by [[spoiler: Elektra and Mrs. Fisk getting it on]], and finally, out of nowhere [[spoiler: [[MoralEventHorizon Frank digs up the remains of Kingpin's eight year old son]]]].
* MagnificentBastard:
** General Zakharov of the ''Mother Russia'' and ''Man of Stone'' story arcs. He was sent to investigate the attempted theft of a bioweapon, and when the Punisher goes in to steal it he keeps his identity secret, to the point of letting Moscow think an American trained terrorist group who hijacked a plane for a suicide bombing on Moscow were Al Qaeda. He reasoned that Russia would be too scared to fight Arab terrorists, but were prepared for nuclear war with America, and watched as Castle hid inside a nuclear missile and faked a missile attack to escape. [[MoralEventHorizon Then there was how he fought in Afghanistan...]]
** Frank himself has his moments, such as how he gets out of a seemingly impossible situation during the "Mother Russia" arc, or in the one-shot "The Cell"...
* MoralEventHorizon: Quite a few examples:
** In ''The End'', [[spoiler: Frank Castle]] of all people got one when he [[spoiler: shot up an entire facility full of survivors, including the innocent servants/assistants, because they engineered a {{Hidden Elf Village}} in case of nuclear war and he SUSPECTED that they (as in their elite social class, not these people specifically) caused the attack in the first place, killing off the last of humanity]]. Thank goodness it's non-canon.
** General Zakharov in Afghanistan [[spoiler:''throwing a baby off a cliff''.]]
** The Slavers were already far over the horizon, what with kidnapping young girls and beating and gang-raping them to break their spirits, but when Viorica escapes with her baby and seeks refuge with Jen Cooke, they track her down to Cooke's apartment and steal the baby back, then later send an e-mail with a photo attached [[spoiler: of the lifeless baby]].
** The cabal of generals first introduced in the "Mother Russia" arc. [[spoiler:To provide a smokescreen for an illegal operation in Russia, they have a team of Arab terrorists they secretly trained for taking out targets inside friendly countries hijack a passenger plane and attempt a suicide bombing on Moscow, only for the plane to be shot down by the missile defenses.]]
** Kingpin has one of the worst in the entire series. [[spoiler: Faced with his old enemies holding his son at knife point, and forced to choose between saving his little boy's life and killing the last people standing in his way, he coldly shoots them, not showing a hint of emotion as his rival cuts the boy's throat. He then embraces his wife and tells her "We can have another."]]
*** To be absolutely fair, it's not as if Kingpin actually had much of a choice there, since his opponent was a CompleteMonster himself and his {{Mook}}s already had the drop on him. What really made it a MEH was Kingpin's reaction to the SadisticChoice; rather than a IDidWhatIHadToDo or a DrowningMySorrows was reflection on [[ItsAllAboutMe how much he didn't really love his son after all]].
** Bullseye takes it even further; he was created ''beyond'' the Moral Event Horizon.
-->'''Frank:''' I knew a lot of men would have to die.
* NauseaFuel: The series is full of it, but probably the worst instance is what happens to Finn Cooley over the course of the series--his face, already blown [[HoistByHisOwnPetard away by a damn bomb of his own design]] gets in steadily worse shape. After his scrape with Castle, half of the right side of his face is missing, with most of the teeth yanked out with the flesh.
* {{Squick}}:
** Since it's geared towards a more adult audience, the series shows off deaths in the most graphic ways imaginable.
** Frank himself feels this when, [[spoiler:injured in a gunfight and handcuffed to a bed so he can't stop it from happening, he watches Jenny complete her RoaringRampageOfRevenge: First by beating her sister to death with a baseball bat ''while naked'' for marrying her off to an abusive mobster. Then screwing him to see if she can find any meaning in life now that the last of her tormentors is dead. And finally, the answer being a resounding "no", she shoots herself in the head with Frank's sidearm.]]
* TearJerker: The flashbacks to Castle's pre-Punisher life in the ''Frank'' arc. They show that even when he still had his family he was completely detached and unable to withstand a non-violent life. In fact, the last thing he ever said to his wife is [[spoiler:I'm leaving.]] And in the final issue we get a poignant visual showing just how much he regrets that decision: [[spoiler: The words "I'm sorry" painted (perhaps in blood) on a wall inside his old family house.]] Just for an extra kick we get the [[spoiler: final entry in his War Journal: "Still in old house. Sleep in living room now. Bedroom smells too much like Maria. I won't go in there anymore."]] Or the make it quicker, pretty much the entire second half of the series is one big tearjerker for Frank.
* VillainDecay: Nicky Cavella, who is first set up as a {{Magnificent Bastard}} master of {{Xanatos Speed Chess}} is hit by this trope ''hard'' in Up Is Down, Black Is White, revealing him to be little more than a whimpering coward who loses the respect of his own {{Mooks}}.
* WriterOnBoard:
** ''The Slavers'', probably the bleakest, most visceral ''Punisher'' story ever written, was based on Ennis's opinion of human traffickers. Hint: He doesn't like them
*** Perhaps the cover of Frank sharpening a knife as he reads a book on Basic Human Anatomy will give you a clue that Ennis takes his hatred further than most. Note also that he also wrote the game and this story shows up.
*** Frank Castle's hatred of the human traffickers in ''The Slavers'' is (paraphrasing) "the worst he'd ever hated someone in a long time." Note that in MAX continuity, Frank's been The Punisher for at least a couple of decades.
** Some of Ennis' political thoughts are chilling. The first line of "The End", where the war on terror goes nuclear? Soon.

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